Anyone else feel like hyper ranged mages ruin aram?

AMADEUSdotEXE·Jun 21, 2018·7 votes·5,362 views

When you arent playing them. I can't think of an aram game i've lost as lux in the 5 years I've been playing. I remember going 50/1 (with the one death being to me executing myself so i could buy items)

And don't even get me started when your entire team is melee and the entire enemy team is ranged. Or vice versa, as long as your positioning isn't garbage it's basically a blowout (Yi might be able to carry that one if he doesn't get poked to death before he can clean up.)

Its just annoying because it makes the games feel one sided. Oddly enough xerath isn't really to much of a problem on that map from what I've seen. Ziggs Ult is GOING to hit someone, and you'd better kill Vel'koz before he destroys your entire team.

14 Comments

HP CrookshanksJun 21, 20183 votes

item 3083 ruins ARAM more. Sometimes I even build it on mages.

Darius StradaJun 21, 20182 votes

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ruins ARAM more. Sometimes I even build it on mages.

lol. it was removed and it was your only defense agaisnt said hyper carry ranged mages

Daddy AntsJun 21, 20182 votes

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lol. it was removed and it was your only defense agaisnt said hyper carry ranged mages

It's back....

Darius StradaJun 21, 20181 votes

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It's back....

oh shit! really~?

Daddy AntsJun 21, 20181 votes

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oh shit! really~?

mhm

ReformedfindlayJun 22, 20182 votes

veigar ruins arams.

Daddy AntsJun 22, 20181 votes

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veigar ruins arams.

Fiddlesticks Lux Sona Soraka Xerath Ziggs Veigar Velkoz

Colton147Jun 21, 20181 votes

Ziggs is trash and is badly in need of buffs.

AMADEUSdotEXEJun 21, 20181 votes

In aram or in rift? This is an ARAM post.

CosnirakJun 22, 20181 votes

I've found that the main problem is players at anything short of high plat are awful at dealing with artillery mages. The champions themselves as a class are (mostly) fairly balanced in ARAM, with the main exception actually being Xerath, who I completely disagree with you and think is by far the most OP artillery mage in ARAM (with Vel'Koz being slightly too good but not a big deal). Ziggs on the other hand I feel is the weakest of the class in ARAM easily, though partially because he's the hardest of them to play well.

The entire issue of poke vs sustain in ARAM though isn't just about ranged vs melee or mages vs others. It's far more complex situation of resource limitations and the biggest overlooked factor is still the rune Presence of Mind, which is a massive factor in the power of poke and should probably just be flat out disabled in ARAM (along with Dark Harvest). Triumph was super OP as well before but got nerfed a bunch yet is still a little OP and nearly a must use rune for manaless champions while PoM is a must use for most champions with mana.

And yet all of that is super complicated by player perception issues, the lack of awareness about the power of those runes in ARAM from many players, and more. All of those complications skew player choices which further skews data in a game mode that's already hard to get meaningful data on due to the randomness and for many players the non seriousness of the mode.

tl;dr- Riot is unlikely to do much about any of this any time soon.

Nea104Jun 22, 20181 votes

Team compositions shouldn't be "totally random", despite of what Aram means. They actually are not, since there are a lot of Aram-only accounts, that often make Aram games a pointless spam fest.

A champion "ranking" could be a thing, where you can't have more than 2 (?) spammers in your team.

JaspersJun 22, 20181 votes

Things that ruin ARAM.

Silence in general.
Wave clear mages/shovers, Malz and Ziggs mainly, constant bombs and Malz Q from miles away and you can't touch them.
ADCs, weirdly it's better now, if you let them get late it as it should be, but you cannot catch them for some reason.

Basically I like ARAM games with no ADC at all, they are fun. A game can have a Ziggs, Malz and my team all melee but it'll be more fun than if there was an ADC.

FireDrizzleJun 22, 20181 votes

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When you arent playing them. I can't think of an aram game i've lost as lux in the 5 years I've been playing. I remember going 50/1 (with the one death being to me executing myself so i could buy items)

And don't even get me started when your entire team is melee and the entire enemy team is ranged. Or vice versa, as long as your positioning isn't garbage it's basically a blowout (Yi might be able to carry that one if he doesn't get poked to death before he can clean up.)

Its just annoying because it makes the games feel one sided. Oddly enough xerath isn't really to much of a problem on that map from what I've seen. Ziggs Ult is GOING to hit someone, and you'd better kill Vel'koz before he destroys your entire team.

There is terrain leaving no space to move next to towers guranteeing "skill"shots and the map in general is a little too thin.