Darius just got a 1000 heal with his Q

Asayake 5150glow··2 votes·662 views

GG

Edit: Used to just be a simple complaining thingy, now it's a more complex complaining thingy.

Darius had (looking at match history) Randuins, Titanic Hydra, Ninja Tabi, Dead Man's Plate, Sunfire Cape, and Black Cleaver. He had 4532 health (without runes/masteries), 231 Ad without runes/masteries (I seem to remember him having at least 260), and 278 armor. HUGE NOTE: We had no AP, so that was kinda our fault.

So let's see... 0.36 x 4532 = 1631 heal. Damn, it's worse than I thought. But it's missing health, so that's a bit better. On another note... Darius get's free Armor pen. 25% at lvl 5 on E. That means huge damage even if you build armor. Riot!

Mysteriously, we won the game. I had to go to school and had my brother take over for me, so I didn't realize that. I went assassin Jarvan! (I wasn't very bursty, though). Good job 44 /16 Yasuo! (DaFluffyMuffin) I have no idea how we won. I guess Yas is more of a hypercarry late game than either Jinx, Brand, Fizz, Or Darius. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1974690738/209645298?tab=overview

16 Comments

Dediguise3 votes

if you are fighting him 3v1 and all of you are standing too far away to be autoattacking him then yes he heals for 1k congrats ... If you are standing on top of him then there's no problem. If you kite him there's no problem. If you duel him there's no problem. He's actually pretty easy to beat, but why think strategically?

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Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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if you are fighting him 3v1 and all of you are standing too far away to be autoattacking him then yes he heals for 1k congrats ... If you are standing on top of him then there's no problem. If you kite him there's no problem. If you duel him there's no problem. He's actually pretty easy to beat, but why think strategically?

GG

You think you can kite with Melee? And he has Dead Man's... good item on his part, but it makes him impossible to get away from. He outdueled Gnar just by Q'ing every few seconds, getting that 400 heal.

Big Lincoln2 votes

mundo can heal for 3000 health and he's getting buffs

gg

Budupops1 votes

they reverted them

gg

dunk is my life1 votes

they didnt, I just tested him on pbe lmao

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Solomon Money,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O04O1ysu,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-10-10T18:05:54.682+0000)

mundo can heal for 3000 health and he's getting buffs

gg

However, it doesn't have a 4 second cooldown. Or do damage.

Big Lincoln2 votes

mundo can't miss

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Solomon Money,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O04O1ysu,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2015-10-10T23:03:25.908+0000)

mundo can't miss

Darius can't really miss either - it's huge, aoe around him, and he can move while doing it. All in all, a 4 second percentage heal is better than a 40 (or so) second percentage heal. And if you hit 3 people with your axe with Darius, it's stronger than Mundo! (heal)

Big Lincoln1 votes

depends how low hp you are

it's supposed to be a comeback mechanic, a heavy reward for landing it when he's low on health because it's a HUGE windup where he isn't stacking, isn't doing damage, and he's giving you a chance to negate it altogether. yeah, he can outplay you and land it -- that's good. You should never say a champion who gives you options and makes you think a bad design

Because if it didn't heal him and was still delayed, he would not exist in fights and we'd be back to square 1

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Solomon Money,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O04O1ysu,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-11T00:04:48.124+0000)

depends how low hp you are

it's supposed to be a comeback mechanic, a heavy reward for landing it when he's low on health because it's a HUGE windup where he isn't stacking, isn't doing damage, and he's giving you a chance to negate it altogether. yeah, he can outplay you and land it -- that's good. You should never say a champion who gives you options and makes you think a bad design

Because if it didn't heal him and was still delayed, he would not exist in fights and we'd be back to square 1

It's such a huge heal, though. Especially because he's full tank... (or at least extremely tanky)... and his ult still did 1/3 of my life... And it's not so much of a comeback skill when it's every 4 seconds... though I did not realize it was missing health. Unfortunately, he can single handedly kill tanks when he's very low like that.

Big Lincoln1 votes

IMO Darius needs a retuning, but not a "nerf"

Or rather, a nerf to mostly/full-tank builds and a buff to incentivize building at least one AD-heavy item (like going back to Ravenous Hydra for example) by making either his heal or his passive steroid scale with large sums of bonus AD.

This way he's forced to be squishier if he wants a stronger heal and more damage, but he'll scale harder because he's getting more damage

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Solomon Money,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O04O1ysu,comment-id=0001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-11T00:20:07.490+0000)

IMO Darius needs a retuning, but not a "nerf"

Or rather, a nerf to mostly/full-tank builds and a buff to incentivize building at least one AD-heavy item (like going back to Ravenous Hydra for example) by making either his heal or his passive steroid scale with large sums of bonus AD.

This way he's forced to be squishier if he wants a stronger heal and more damage, but he'll scale harder because he's getting more damage

Darius... has a a lot of base life. With no life items, assuming, say, 100 life, his heal is 252. That's reasonable. Unless you hit three people - then it's 756.

His base AD is also exceptionally high - 140 at lvl 18.

Ult damage is insane - with only 100 bonus AD, and 5 stacks, it does 1406.25 True Damage to a target.

It's not exactly hard to get 5 Hemorrhage stacks.

Therefore, my only solution? Poke him at range. Don't let him get close to you.

He should either get a base stats nerf, have all his damaging skills scale on bonus AD instead of AD, forcing him to actually buy AD items. If you want his Q to give him heals, why not make it apply life-vamp? His Q does tons of damage - 356 BASE at lvl 18 (including the 140 base AD), and that's just the handle. Aaaaaaaaaaaand that's not including the passive, which is 57 more, for a grand total of 750 at the blade.

Let's look at another comparison - Garen. If you have a better one, please tell me.

Garen has 134 base AD. Not only that, his Q - well, it actually does scale on 140% AD. But it doesn't heal, have a 5 second cooldown, or do AoE. The silence mechanic is only for 1.5 seconds, and by the time Garen get's to his target, most skills will already have been cast. Anyway, assuming Garen is also lvl 18, with no bonus AD, his Q will do... 316 damage. Ok, that's pretty strong, but it's not AoE, and has a lower cooldown. It also doesn't have potential to do double damage (not even if he crits). And Garen has one of the highest base AD in the game, though it's still less than Darius. I guess Darius just attacks really slow.

But wait - there's more. Mordekaiser has a base AD of 146. As well as higher initial AD. E and Q both scale on base AD, though the ratio's are quite a bit lower. Thing is, it looks like he can keep his Q pretty much forever, but he lacks the slow to get all three auto's off.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

i will tell you something, you should save your time to complain on champions that won't be nerfed darius is already nerfed on PBE

Pluie Battante1 votes

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Asayake 5150glow1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pluie Battante,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O04O1ysu,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-10-10T22:55:11.425+0000)

His heal is capped at a certain percentage, plus if you stand on the outer rim that allows him to heal so another mistake; when against him either keep a complete distance or get in close to avoid his Q.

How can u keep a distance while dueling? Second, how do you keep a distance if he moves faster than you? Besides, he had tons of life. That's why he had such a huge heal. I'm updating the original post now, so won't say anymore.

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