is fiora meant to parry literally everything? for those few seconds is she ment to be invulnerable? not a rage not QQ just a humble is this really what was ment to be? id under stand if it was directly in front of her sorta like braums sheild but everything is stopped. any input from a rioter would be nice have a awsome day doods
Critmaster Garen2 votesffs, the tooltpip mentions it parries any damage and disables during the duration. so its intended to block everything that hits her, even multiple abilities at the same time.
otherwise it would be far too easy to lock her down by just using 2 cc abilities on her instead of 1.
when guinsoo described her rework he said he wanted to give her a "mini kayle ult" that parries everything for a split second, but doesnt allow her to move during the parry.
the ability is the equivalent to yasuos windwall/shield passive and what allows her to actually build like a carry instead of having to stack defenses, and still survive.
this ability is working as intended.
Rabid Husky1 votesfor starters calm your self i dont play fiora and im not flaming unlike you, and second so the fact of parrying both exhaust and ignite is it working as intented?
last time i checked kayle still was affected by those or became untargetable to those spells. havent ran into a kayle in awhile but im sure ignite still lasts and so does exhaust and possably cc. i understand believe me i get it but noone im talking everything including aoe,and noone has a double cc youd need 2 members of your team in that scenario.
unlike yasuos windwall/ shield passive it has counter play this just ignores everything and that would be fine if it parried one spell or attack like the old one but now she can get ganked 5 to 1 and ignore everything then get a penta ,plus the cool downs short 15 seconds at max with it being 9 seconds with full cd .
if she builds like a carry then shes exactly where she was as a assassin and not a fighter which is really the idea of this post people still build her as a assassin ad monster and not a fighter since for a split second she can become invulnerable and nothing says otherwise plus theres no counter play outside of just wait atleast tryndamere can be ccd and ignited .
plus with her %truehp passive/ult it really just seems unbalanced if for nothing else it ignores everything if you could ignite/exhaust/zed ult start/ or aoe cc or have any counter play other than just wait it out then i wouldnt have made this post
OverpoweredSoap2 votesDoesn't she only parry things for .75 seconds?
Critmaster Garen1 votesDoesn't she only parry things for .75 seconds?
yes. its meant to be used to react to certain big ticket abilities that would mean certain death for her in a duel. mostly stuns and other form of cc, or burst damage. on the flipside she cant do it as often as she used to.
OverpoweredSoap1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NzhrNn13,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-08-15T02:14:25.196+0000)
yes. its meant to be used to react to certain big ticket abilities that would mean certain death for her in a duel. mostly stuns and other form of cc,or burst damage. on the flipside she cant do it very often.
I'm completely fine with that. Just making sure it was .75 because op said it was a couple of seconds.
Critmaster Garen1 votesI'm completely fine with that. Just making sure it was .75 because op said it was a couple of seconds.
oh lol, youre right.
yea thats pretty exaggerated.
edit.: daaamn, i have to remember that qss thing in case i ever fight her. just cleansing her ult. thats a nasty counter. i wonder if it also works with summoner cleanse.
CreationFlaw1 votesHow do you even parry physical exhaustion.
Critmaster Garen1 votesi tend to curse a lot in general. its not actually anger.
a light figher is not the same as an assassin. she builds for a lot of raw ad, yes. but her job is to carry. shes intended as a melee adc like yasuo, not as a tanky bruiser. so if people build her like that, its exactly happening as intended.
at least exhaust counts a sa crowd control effect. the window is only .75 seconds, so its generally unlikely that she will parry summoners. especially since they dont have an animation attached, so she cant really react to summoners and its mostly in the hands of her opponent. they probably didnt see it as a problem.
as a general rule, the counterplay would be to bait riposte out with another ability, before you all in her with summoners.
by the way, exhaust doesnt have much effect on carry fiora anyways. at least not concerning her ult or passive. even if it would hit her, it wouldnt reduce the true damage.
Rabid Husky1 votesit would be one thing if she built some bulk but assassins are raw damage and squishy,which a carry fiora follows a assassin identity much closer than a fighter. while it is true exhaust counts as a form of cc ignite should work as should the start of zeds ult and trust me i fought a fiora as gp that .75 feels like eternity when your fighting her, it really feels like 2 seconds go by when it ends, which brings up that general counter play rule you suggested you can try to bait it but in a team fight or in a try to burst you down all in and a split second life or death do or die moment she ends up having a advantage if you all in her since she just needs to q to hit a vital immediately afterwords or ult you while invulnerable and get started with q thatll also have a possibility to crit if thats her route, hell im sure e slow with q auto crits.
regardless it just seems to be a bit much with little counter play. dont think i just focus on her state trust me i hate fizz troll poll vlads dueling pool and yis now you see me now you dont tricks but at the least they give it a sign of invulnerable by removing them in a way. i would love if they gave it the invulnerable symbol and a bit of a longer cd at the least since the only means of knowing whats going on is her w gives a small box with a slight model change in stance that unless your 1 v 1ing her in the middle of lane your gonna notice and many people would mistake her for being ccable or atleast igniteable. i should mention i do not dislike fioras rework far from it but with this ignore everything and make your opponents go on cd cuz they thought they could do something to you it really doesnt feel much different then her old ult, ya know master yi omnlislash level 9 where you couldnt do anything but sit there and take it waiting for her to stop? thats just how this seems but with a shorter wait time
Critmaster Garen1 votesit would be one thing if she built some bulk but assassins are raw damage and squishy,which a carry fiora follows a assassin identity much closer than a fighter. while it is true exhaust counts as a form of cc ignite should work as should the start of zeds ult and trust me i fought a fiora as gp that .75 feels like eternity when your fighting her, it really feels like 2 seconds go by when it ends, which brings up that general counter play rule you suggested you can try to bait it but in a team fight or in a try to burst you down all in and a split second life or death do or die moment she ends up having a advantage if you all in her since she just needs to q to hit a vital immediately afterwords or ult you while invulnerable and get started with q thatll also have a possibility to crit if thats her route, hell im sure e slow with q auto crits.
regardless it just seems to be a bit much with little counter play. dont think i just focus on her state trust me i hate fizz troll poll vlads dueling pool and yis now you see me now you dont tricks but at the least they give it a sign of invulnerable by removing them in a way. i would love if they gave it the invulnerable symbol and a bit of a longer cd at the least since the only means of knowing whats going on is her w gives a small box with a slight model change in stance that unless your 1 v 1ing her in the middle of lane your gonna notice and many people would mistake her for being ccable or atleast igniteable. i should mention i do not dislike fioras rework far from it but with this ignore everything and make your opponents go on cd cuz they thought they could do something to you it really doesnt feel much different then her old ult, ya know master yi omnlislash level 9 where you couldnt do anything but sit there and take it waiting for her to stop? thats just how this seems but with a shorter wait time
i think this is a little bit backwards.
the parry IS the counterplay to getting trashed by easy to hit cc abilities, and other on target abilities and even allows her to be squishy in melee. i parried a veigar ult in one of my first games with her. if that wasnt possible, she probably would be trash.
right now shes more of a fighter and less of an assassin than before her rework.
the difference is, that while its powerful its a purely defensive move and short enough to be only used in reaction. the old fiora could go untargetable while dealing damage. this one cant do both at the same time.
Rabid Husky1 votesnow sure how you would see it as backwards im talking counter play to her not the other way around. i can understand that counter play but the counter play to that is stand there for a second and wait as either she gets in a position to damage you or her allies come in as she just made you blow a spell to stop her that coulda saved your life since she last second parried you.
im not talking about a reaction parry i could deal with it if she parried one spell/attack but for that full .75 seconds your whole team could blow everything on her and she would be fine no damage or anything and i just see full ad/crit fiora just like before much like talon yasuo and zed. a fighter is ment to sustain and take damage while equally dishing it out even a bit of bulk makes a fighter and a assassin is generally high ad damage with being squishy plus her mobility helps categorize her into this role a bit more.
compair her to assassins like vayne eve and yi for a second then say shes more in line with riven wukong gp or jayce. i can appreciate her invulnerability being short and defensive its the fact that you get nothing outside of visual representation of her health indicating nothing happened.
remember how i said i fought against the new fiora as gp? first time i ever fought her rework were fighting i just killed the enemy lux i run from the 2nd top lane tower to head mid and i run right into the enemy jungle and find fiora coming to fight me after a bit of a auto attack duel i pop a barrel right next to her then i auto her just as she goes into her parry then blow the barrel on instinct i was so confused over what happened i needed to ask my friends who were watching to replay it for me cuz i had zero idea of what happened and thats the big issue theres no indication of her being invulnerable.
with kayles ult big yellow sphere and the text telling you, tryndamere tells you hes in undying rage through audio and text yes there longer but with fiora its a small model stance plus she can cast ult immediately during the stab which does around 50% of hp if you hit all 4 and doesnt include her carry levels of damage again this invulnerability and lack of sharing whats going on are my big issues.
again i love what they did with her my gripes arnt with her damage or anything its the fact that unless you have fought or played her enough times to memorize her movement and memorize her kit you wont see her parry until you blow all 4 spells plus summoner which as a mage or a bursty spell slinger can mean you are screwed and thinking out loud here im goin into the lab see how people like gp and alistar deal with her ult since clense disrupts it and they have built in clense with their oranges and ult respectively