when will people stop banning yi, fiora and akali?

XinZhao2WinNhao··1 votes·1,424 views

theyre not even op anymore. people have the past conception that they were op because they were in season 4, but they aren't that op after akali nerfs and stuff and yi and fiora fell out of the tank meta

Edit: even if meta doesn't matter, realize that Yi, Fiora and Akali are not picked often even in bronze. You're supposed to ban strong champions that you expect people to pick. Especially in bronze, they cannot play them to their full skillcap, so it get's really boring and repetitive especially if all you can do is Q q Q Q Q Q Q Q so most bronze players don't even like to play them.

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Bônes6 votes

Don't want to be a dick but I'm gonna be blunt. When you get out of bronze. You have to understand that bronze, especially bronze 5, most people don't pay attention to what is meta and they don't think about what is going on in a game. Those champions snowball hard and are strong late game. If they get fed, they will wreck your team. People in bronze come across a fed Akali and can't do shit to her so in their minds, she must be OP. A Lee Sin with the same amount of kills won't be as much of a problem. Lee Sin is a early game champ but Akali is a late game champ. But they don't think about the fact the reason that they got fucked so hard in those games was because they had a feeder and that champion happens to snowball like that.

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

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Don't want to be a dick but I'm gonna be blunt. When you get out of bronze. You have to understand that bronze, especially bronze 5, most people don't pay attention to what is meta and they don't think about what is going on in a game. Those champions snowball hard and are strong late game. If they get fed, they will wreck your team. People in bronze come across a fed Akali and can't do shit to her so in their minds, she must be OP. A Lee Sin with the same amount of kills won't be as much of a problem. Lee Sin is a early game champ but Akali is a late game champ. But they don't think about the fact the reason that they got fucked so hard in those games was because they had a feeder and that champion happens to snowball like that.

Lee Sin can own bronze players if played right. I know smurfs who main Lee Sin on their smurf accounts and carry every game

Bônes1 votes

You misunderstand me. Of course, a good Lee Sin can shit on the enemy if played right. I was talking about scaling. Certain champions scale better than others. Champions like Lee Sin and Pantheon are early game champs. Strong laning phase, weaker late game. When they get kills early, they do get stronger and they become a threat to the team, but not as big a threat an Akali or Katarina with the same amount of kills. With a fed Lee Sin, the team that doesn't have the Lee Sin might be able to turtle and try to catch up in gold so they can outscale him. You won't be able to do that as easily against a fed Akali. Basically, if there was a game where both teams had 15 kills and equal gold and one team had a Lee Sin with 10 kills at 20 min and the other team had an Akali with 10 kills at the same time, I'd rather be on the team with the Akali.

That's not to say that Lee Sin is weak. He has a stronger early game and is a good jungler (if you are skilled with him) that can get his team ahead. And if he gets fed, he can still shit on the opposing team, but you don't want to drag the game on too long because his damage drops off.

But to elaborate on the main topic, that is why people continue to ban Akali in bronze. Because when she gets fed, it just feels like she single-handedly wins the game and you can't do anything to her for the rest of the game. The actual strength of a good Lee Sin player (jungle) is to get the rest of the team ahead. So when the opposing (bronze) team loses, they don't see that the Lee Sin won the the game for his team. They just think everyone on their team sucks because they kept dying in lane.

BluePolarizer1 votes

Lee Sin's damage doesn't fall off. His AD scaling is the same as Talon's.

His reliability falls off.

In lane he can unload all that damage onto 1 person.

In a teamfight he has to hit a blockable skillshot onto the enemy carry. If he can do that, yes, he can burst them down just like Talon can. Difference is, Talon can unload just by pressing E.

SlytherinUmbreon2 votes

Sometimes bans are less about "This is OP" and more about "I just don't want to put up with this bs." Especially in lower Elos

The Tilted King3 votes

i agree with this sentiment entirely.

i think thats why katarina is banned so often... its just..shes just so annoying.. one teamfight no matter how behind she is and she gets snowballed. in these lower elo people dont know how to appropriately deal with her.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

I think those bans are probably less "This is OP" and more "I don't trust my teammates to correctly deal with them".

Not sure where they are getting banned. I haven't seen any of them (except for the occasional Yi) picked or banned in months.

Live2LetDie1 votes

What elo is this where they are even played still? lol

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

I don't get it. Akali was nerfed so much, why is she still banned every game?

Yi and Fiora were OP 4th season and maybe early fifth, but certainly not now.

Partholonian1 votes

When entire games stop being decided by who gets to 4 kills first and can then instagib anyone but a tank for the rest of the game (and around their 10th kill, tanks too).

There's a tank meta in pro games. In yoloq I still see 0-1 tanks on practically every team.

Skia Asteri1 votes

In bronze? When they realize they can first pick Malzahar Skarner Warwick and collect freelo when people counter pick themselves with those champions.

IcyPepper1 votes

I haven't seen a Yi or Fiora nerf ban in a long, long while.

Typical assassin bans (in this order) are Zed, Katarina, and maybe Akali once in a blue moon. Probably with Akali is that if you have a bruiser jungler (as opposed to a tank), she's really easy to gank.

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

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I haven't seen a Yi or Fiora nerf in a long, long while.

Typical assassin bans (in this order) are Zed, Katarina, and maybe Akali once in a blue moon. Probably with Akali is that if you have a bruiser jungler (as opposed to a tank), she's really easy to gank.

yi and fiora haven't been nerfed but they are not as strong with the current meta

akali was nerfed

IcyPepper1 votes

Sorry, I meant ban not nerf!

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

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Sorry, I meant ban not nerf!

you are lucky then. I want to play Yi and Fiora. Can't cuz they're banned every game

colesy1 votes

lol, fiora ban?

ahahahahahahahahahahaha

are people that bad?

3TWarrior1 votes

what world is master yi not OP anymore? once lategame has arrived, he is a worse threat than Katarina because his ult reduces his cooldowns by 75% once he gets a kill, even if he doesn't get a kill, his instant autoattack on landing lets him cast his next ability, so you're pretty much done if you don't shut him down

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

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what world is master yi not OP anymore? once lategame has arrived, he is a worse threat than Katarina because his ult reduces his cooldowns by 75% once he gets a kill, even if he doesn't get a kill, his instant autoattack on landing lets him cast his next ability, so you're pretty much done if you don't shut him down

49% winrate

3TWarrior1 votes

is that from public use or anything competitive? Yi is top (a difficult lane for him) or jungle only and more than likely jungle because of his EXTREME mobility

now, about 20% of junglers actually jungle well enough to affect the game, but there's a reason Yi was permabanned all the way to season 4

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

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is that from public use or anything competitive? Yi is top (a difficult lane for him) or jungle only and more than likely jungle because of his EXTREME mobility

now, about 20% of junglers actually jungle well enough to affect the game, but there's a reason Yi was permabanned all the way to season 4

this is across all tiers, yi has 49% winrate

3TWarrior1 votes

lol, i'm not being serious here, but doesn't that mean that the 49% of players that are good with him win and the 51% that are bad lose? then again, there's team comps and being able to influence a game 50/50 is what all the best champs do...look at twisted fates stats...he's one of the most underused champs in the game because he has so little lategame viability and a very difficult early game

insaiyanbacca1 votes

welcome to bronze

Xonra1 votes

When will people stop whining about what other people ban?

(to be fair I don't get the fiora and yi bans, but still)

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