titanic hydra is inefficient as hell and terrible on juggernauts

MunchCrunchLunch··3 votes·691 views

meanwhile any high attack speed bruisers still buy it because its still a fantastic item for them. Now here is the problem. the item has one of the lowest. if not the lowest gold efficiency in the game. sitting at 77%. Juggernauts don't auto attack that much. its no where near their main source of damage and darius and garen usually just. sit there and use Q or E to do damage respectively they aren't the best at extended trades with other duelers. why doesn't the item give ad based on bonus hp. nothing ridiculous. but what if it did. i mean there used to be an item that used to do that right.

or idk make it give base ad. before you say oh but the trinity force procs will be too huge. an extra 70-80 damage isn't a game breaker considering that won't count with abilities that use bonus ad scaling.

its one of the best items you can buy on Shyvana Warwick hell and even Riven because it basically gives them 70-80 ad in the case of warwick and shyvanna since 90% of their damage is from auto attacking.

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Ralanr1 votes

Honestly not sure why they made it when the juggernauts that were updated when it was introduced did not AA that much.

I still see it on Yi and it is weird.

TTK Dreadnought1 votes

Only champions i see build it. Only one of them is a juggernaut. MasterYi Jax XinZhao Shen Sion Volibear

Bhagswag2 votes

It's really good on Shen but only if she has the luxury to make it. Most of the time he needs to build defenses.

EcchiOtakuTM2 votes

Where the she come from, srsly o _o;;

Dam it I know what happened, but now I'm questioning their genders lol

Bhagswag2 votes

This is 2016. I can't assume gender anymore.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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Honestly not sure why they made it when the juggernauts that were updated when it was introduced did not AA that much.

I still see it on Yi and it is weird.

its one of the best items you get on master yi.

Ralanr1 votes

Why? Yi doesn't build that much health to benefit from the scaling.

Why titanic over ravenous?

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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Why? Yi doesn't build that much health to benefit from the scaling.

Why titanic over ravenous?

crit less ad yi falls off mid late game. however on hit yi doesn't fall off because hes much tankier and does a lot of damage because on hit items synergize well with his passive also pretty much all of them give attack speed as well. except titanic.

Ralanr1 votes

Except he'd have at least some crit items due to most attack speed items giving crit.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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Except he'd have at least some crit items due to most attack speed items giving crit.

yes but then the enemy ap mage will one shot u

UberAffe1 votes

actually if you were going on-hit item 3748 item 3153 item 3124 item 3022, and item 3091 or item 3078 plus boots these would probably be your main on-hit items and none of these have crit

actually after reading up on yi's passive a bit guinsoos is stronger than i thought because it also works with his passive. So if he primes both guinsoos and his passive and does 4 auto's he will proc his passive 2 times and and guinsoo's 3 times 9 procs of on-hit effects. Also thanks to the auto reset from titanic this can be done in the space of what would normally be 3 autos about 2 seconds.

with his w active there is 711 true damage, 1,750 physical damage and 360 magic damage plus 9 procs of borktk.

That is enough damage to delete pretty much any squishy before they can do anything while still having about 3k hp.

Meep Man1 votes

I don't see why they didn't make it an on-spell effect if it was meant for Juggs since most of them use abilities more than attacks.

TequilaZombie1 votes

To not make it too strong on them. It would probably become a must buy and would be possibly abused by assassins who wanted to get tanky (reminds you of someone? Fizz Ekko ), as assassins' damage is supposed to come through abilities.

Meep Man1 votes

Yeah, but now instead it's just abused on on-hit champions instead and forced them to nerf a ton of them.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Actually a Tank ekko built it:

Shoes, triforce, visage, titanic, tank item, tank item.

Did a good chunk of damage.

TequilaZombie1 votes

But then his damage is AA oriented, at which point he becomes a glorified bruiser. If it gave spell damage it would really cause his instant burst damage to skyrocket.

Now that I think of it, Juggers have medium cooldowns. An item geared to giving juggers spell damage could be abused by low CD champs that can afford to go tanky, such as Eve and Zac. Tying the damage to CD would also be a bad choice, as tanks tend to love to build hp and have fairly long CDs and would end up abusing it just as well as juggers.

Pawn of hearts1 votes

yea it is super weak. LMFAO 3500 gold for *35 AD i believe ; it's a fking joke! but the think is, if they buff the item and give it better state it will also bring hell to the game, reason being is that it have the effect of atk reset. champion like trundle, darious who already have atk reset will be greatly buff.

Pawn of hearts1 votes

Trundle Darius Volibear Fiora Olaf Shyvana Shen Jax XinZhao

this are pretty much the champ that will be a huge pain in the ass if the item get buff

*shen don't have some form of atk reset but the ratio hp% is pretty ok.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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Trundle Darius Volibear Fiora Olaf Shyvana Shen Jax

this are pretty much the champ that will be a huge pain in the ass if the item get buff

jax doesn't build the item. its weird on him. jax is supposed to burst squishies fast with his hybrid damage. at least thats what i always played him like and what hes effective at.

Pawn of hearts1 votes

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jax doesn't build the item. its weird on him. jax is supposed to burst squishies fast with his hybrid damage. at least thats what i always played him like and what hes effective at.

well you should try. i mean you already know his ability so i don't need to explain it. the item work very well with jax passive, give him the *burst Jax w's is a atk reset (im pretty sure) so you jump at people ass do 1 basic activate w's = 2 basic almost instantly do another basic activate hydra = 4 basic and than another basic, if you compare to a none titanic - jax they will do only 3 basic atk; while the titanic did 5 basic atk. the more basic atk the better, reason being is his passive gving him atk speed stack, and his ult dealt extra damage on his 3rd.

well just only my opinion, don't take it too serious - try it doh !

TTK Dreadnought1 votes

Ravanous for sustain, titanic for health(anti-burst) Death's dance procs on the titanic passives too so you can still have plenty of sustain.

Its just another bruiser build for him

cinomenapplebae1 votes

item 3074 is better

cinomenapplebae1 votes

on riven

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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on riven

situationally. i mean the hp helps a lot. the vast majority of a good riven's damage is basic attacks from aa cancel. and you basically get what. 60 ad from it on hit. which isn't far off from 75 and you also get better waveclear and 450 health.

DarkRitual1 votes

Titanic is good on champions who have Health scalings on abilities.

FallenSeruvim1 votes

Titanic is great on Renekton . This post is kind of meh. There are plenty of juggernauts that like you build it. Titanic is actually higher burst than Ravenous, strangely enough.

Lovelle1 votes

It's not too much that it's inefficient once it's built. It just costs too damn much. Unless you rush it, you'll never complete it in any reasonable amount of time (and there are much better items to build first). So, when are we supposed to build it?

Therefore, I have to agree. Either the price needs to come down and/or they need to remove the ruby crystal from the build path.

Big Lincoln1 votes

Darius autos more than he Qs

they aren't the best at extended trades with other duelers.

what the fuck? Darius is one of the best duelists in the game.

that's not why titanic is bad on him; he doesn't like it because his attack speed got gutted when he was reworked, and he doesn't go out of his way to build any. It's not a bad item for him, but it is the least important item he should build.

I'm fine with it being an item for tanky on-hits, they don't have enough items anyhow.

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