"Those nerfs/buffs weren't enough! QQ"

Mira Arya Enthe··17 votes·1,165 views

Before you make one of these threads. Consider the following.

Extraneous nerfs or buffs are met with harsh criticism and often are worse for the game than not nerfing or buffing something at all.

More goes into balance than one champion, item or mastery's numbers or design. Take the upcomibg Lee Sin nerfs. People are QQing because Riot answered their pleas and nerfed him. Instead of being pleased "It isn't good enough!" Like pissy children after Christmas.

But nobody is taking into account that Lee is being nerfed ON TOP of jungle nerfs ON TOP of a myriad of other changes/nerfs/buffs to items, champions, lanes, camps, etc. And also in planning for other changes in upcoming patches to follow.

Riot plans in advance. They fuck up, they are human. But they aren't just using some personal experience combined with a misread badly interpreted champion.gg page to make their decisions. They use a collection of advisors, meetings, data and proplay to try to appease community and business needs(they like making money after all).

Many rage posts become popular on the boards even when the simple data like win rates and play rates don't back them up. Let alone more in depth data like how it pans out across ranks, how experienced that champion's playerbase is effecting them, what minor meta factors are bloating or deflating numbers, which items will be nerfed two patches from now.

I'm not saying never complain. I do. But these "GUTGUTGUT!" Posts or posts of the opposite suggesting absurd buffs after buffs. Are ridiculous. It takes time and testing in a patch before Riot can make future decisions. I'd prefer gradual nerfs and buffs than what the boards suggest be done.

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DorkunedAuras6 votes

I cannot agree more with everything in this post. The gameplay boards is mocked as a whole it's a giant saltfest, nothing more. And salt is not reknowned for being a good source of knowledge or insight. It's known for being a source of bullshit.

Pentium23 votes

I always try to reason with them, but it is like beating a dead horse.

Guess everyone else got tired of this and that's why they don't even bother to correct them.

Most recent one is maybe Draven, he got a 7-10 dmg increase and there was an outrage about it, someone even bothered to make a meme on the draven subreddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Draven/comments/5ncpf3/made_a_meme_about_the_buffs/

Also I never understood the lee sin hate, most recent arguments they say is, that he should not be able to animation cancel his ult, well then with the same mentality we could fix animation canceling for everyone (Riven item 3070 ), but that's not a good thing.

Dracocrash2 votes

True

SwaggyMcGhee4202 votes

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But nobody is taking into account that Lee is being nerfed ON TOP of jungle nerfs ON TOP of a myriad of other changes/nerfs/buffs to items, champions, lanes, camps, etc. And also in planning for other changes in upcoming patches to follow.

^ I wish people would at least wait a few days to get a sense of how he was affected before continuing to cry for nerfs..

Rozair2 votes

Riot doesnt even play their own game. They balance the game around the pros. its actually pretty retarded.

Mira Arya Enthe5 votes

Balancing the game based off the stats of the best players instead of personal experiences in bronze is retarded..? I've heard it all now.

xelaker1 votes

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Balancing the game based off the stats of the best players instead of personal experiences in bronze is retarded..? I've heard it all now.

although I agree with that. riot could easily make pros their own patches and solve a lot of this....

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

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although I agree with that. riot could easily make pros their own patches and solve a lot of this....

Easily? Pro players would basically be isolated from everyone else and how would you ever hope to form a pro team let alone ever attain that level of play if you don't get to play with the same champions they do?

ShaolinToilet1 votes

The problem is they want to balance the game for bronze and pro players.

Takazaki1 votes

wrong riot does play their own game and they normally only balanced for pro's when there is some clear problem champs effect their level of play. Azir AurelionSol Taliyah RekSai

it was stated somewhere the game is balanced around the live server plat mmr

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