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@Riot Instead of Ezreal having to E into his W to get attack speed, how about this change?

Minions4eVeR··6 votes·1,154 views

Essence Flux

  • (Removed) Ezreal no longer gains the attack speed bonus from his own Essence Flux if he somehow gets hit by it.
  • (Nerfed) Attack speed boost to allies reduced to 10/15/20/25/30% from 20/25/30/35/40%.
  • (Added) For each enemy hit by Essence Flux, Ezreal gains an additional 2.5/5/7.5/10/12.5% Attack speed, capped at four enemies (10/20/30/40/50% total Attack Speed).
  • (Nerfed) Cooldown increased to 12/11/10/9/8 seconds from 9 seconds at all ranks.
  • (Buffed) Mana cost reduced to 50/55/60/65/70 from 50/60/70/80/90.

Arcane Shift

  • (Buffed) Cooldown reduced to 16/14.75/13.5/12.25/11 seconds from 19/17/15/13/11.

So these changes are intended to make Essence Flux a lot more satisfying to use during fights rather than outside of combats. This way, AD Ezreal won't feel his Essence Flux to be a burde or a loss of mana or time during fights, allowing him to finally have an useful spell. To compensate for this new attack speed during fights, Ezreal cannot give attack speed to himelf anymore, and the attack speed to allies has been reduced emphasing the use of his W in a more offensive way. The Arcane Shift cooldown buff here is just to give Ezreal the possibility of maxing his W second instead of after his E, so he won't be stuck with a 19 seconds E until lvl 14 (One of Ezreal's strengths is his mobility, so I didn't want to nerf that).

Thoughts?

19/10 21:35 Edit

I removed the Width increase per level and gave Arcane Shift a higher cooldown based on a few feedback that made sense.

24 Comments

Zielmann2 votes

I like the concept, but I wouldn't increase the projectile width with level. Seems unnecessary and may wind up confusing. Increasing range of a spell with level is one thing, but I can't think of an example of a spell where the projectile actually grows with level. I also don't think he needs the CD reduction on his E. It's unrelated to the W changes, and he already has a CD reduction mechanism for E built in.

Minions4eVeR1 votes

The E buff is just here to make W maxed second a bit more viable.

Otherwise, which one do you prefer at lvl 13, a 8 seconds loss on your escape or a 50% attack speed upon hitting your W on 4 people?

Zielmann1 votes

The two have very different use cases. I don't think we want Ez to have the amount of early-game mobility that the E buff you proposed provides.

Minions4eVeR1 votes

Yes, he'll be able to move more often, but:

  • More blinks also means more mana consumed. And his E costs 90 Mana at all ranks.
  • Usually, in the early game, when I use E defensively, I play safe for a few seconds, as I keep hitting Qs to CS. With the change, I'll have to wait 4 more seconds.
  • I always found a 19 seconds blink to a "high" mobile champion a bit disappointing to use anyway.
The Yetii Rider2 votes

That's pointless. Ezreal already gains attack speed for hitting enemies with Essence Flux, thanks to his passive. With the low CD of Mystic Shot, you don't want to auto too much between abilities, if you did then he'd build standard ADC already.

Ezreal doesn't need attack speed because he doesn't auto attack.

Minions4eVeR1 votes

If you think that Ezreal doesn't auto attack...

You are the reason why most Ezreals deal no damage.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

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If you think that Ezreal doesn't auto attack...

You are the reason why most Ezreals deal no damage.

The guy already gets 10% attack speed from hitting with Essence Flux. Adding another 2.5% in lane won't fix his problems.

Minions4eVeR1 votes

It's almost as if the 2.5% was stackable...

And it's almost as if it was here to make his mid-late game more satisfying when you use his W.

Damn.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

{quoted}

It's almost as if the 2.5% was stackable...

And it's almost as if it was here to make his mid-late game more satisfying when you use his W.

Damn.

Ezreal should not have a good late game. In a perfect world, Ezreal is a ratio-based carry with an amazing mid-game. When Bloodthirster is strong as a rush item, Ezreal dominates lane and destroys his opponents with his 110% AD ratio on Q, combined with Spellblade and later, Muramana proc.

Ezreal will be just fine once his itemization is fixed, which is part of the plan for this marksman update.

Minions4eVeR1 votes

Ezreal IS strong late game.

He just isn't a hyper carry like Jinx KogMaw or Vayne

laughup021 votes

{quoted}

Ezreal doesn't need attack speed because he doesn't auto attack.

That is untrue and a lot of Ezreals that follow this concept are the ones who do no damage.

JustMyBassCannon1 votes

Even simpler. Don't change the stats of anything, just make it so Essence Flux automatically increases Ezreal's AS based on its rank.

Gain 20/25/30/35/40% AS upon casting. If an ally is struck by it, they also gain that much AS.

There. Simple, functional, doesn't require your team to conga in order to gain maximum personal benefit, and now his W has a use for AD Ezreal.

Minions4eVeR1 votes

I wanted to make hit rewarding to use AND reward you for hitting it.

Right now, it's "press W and get attack speed lel"

I feel it should be "land it and get more attack speed lel"

JustMyBassCannon1 votes

But you already get that with Ezreal's passive. Why over-complicate it with a duplicate effect on his W?

Minions4eVeR1 votes

Jax too has something similar with this.

W and R both have AA enchancers dealing magic damage.

Besides, right now, both are a bit the same too.

Ezreal gets a stack of his passive if he hits himself anyway.

JustMyBassCannon1 votes

And since one champion's bursts of damage has a similar design, we can't duplicate that for another champion's attack speed steroid, because...?

It's not like Riot hasn't duplicated their own game mechanics multiple times. Even the ever-controversial Wind Wall has an evil twin.

Poske1 votes

So basicly W gives ezreal a bit more attackspeed and you think thats more satisfying?

  1. He already gains lots of attackspeed by hitting w on allies/enemies infact 1 w often caps his passive
  2. Attackspeed increase isnt fiting to ezreal to begin with and he already has passive which gives him that...
  3. You are removing cool interaction in which he can shift into his flux
  4. Allies gain less but ezreal ll get like 10%-50% more attackspeed MUCH SATISFY SUCH WOW ? seriously.. even if he hit everyone (Would happen once a game) it wouldnt be satisfying
  5. Width increased? But mana cost and cooldown to?
  6. So you want to force ezreal to max differently even in that you fail.. I wouldnt max w second Low cooldown arcane shift would be better..
  7. Over buff on e Out of nowhere..

Simple solution How to make Ezreal w more satisfying Ezreal W no longer gives attackspeed to his allies (Self include, passive still does but not w directly) Ezreal W now heals Numbers would be tweeked accordingly but it would probably be something like 60/90/120/150/180 +0.7 ap

Why is that a good change? His w actually gets more satisfying His w used to heal so I can confirm its satisfying Shifting into heal is more rewarding anyday then shifting into his small attackspeed boost Ap ezreal (Which is pathetic pick nowdays) might become viable.. since the heal should have decent ap ratio.

Ezreal w is hard to value nowdays. But good W does give him tons of attackspeed and does help his team push a lot faster it does tehnicly increase his dps if he shifts into it though ezreals dont really shift into it often (Atleast most of them) however even Riot agrees its not the most satisfying thing. We dont have ADC who heals.. ezreal used to heal So why not..

Minions4eVeR1 votes

Giving him a heal has literally no point in his kit. Ezreal isn't supposed to be a support, he's supposed to be a Marksman, mixing between his autoattacks and spells to deal the maximum amount of damage possible. Attack speed fits way much better than a heal.

Plus, it already used to heal, but got removed as it was plain overloaded and not coherent with Ezreal's identity.

Poske1 votes

{quoted}

Giving him a heal has literally no point in his kit. Ezreal isn't supposed to be a support, he's supposed to be a Marksman, mixing between his autoattacks and spells to deal the maximum amount of damage possible. Attack speed fits way much better than a heal.

Plus, it already used to heal, but got removed as it was plain overloaded and not coherent with Ezreal's identity.

Fiora is assassin and she heals Tanks have insane base dmg

Yes it used to heal but back then it also used to reduce freaking attackspeed (That also got removed and it was fitting however the reason why ezreal was strong)

Heal was never a problem

Ezreal is overlaping a bit with corki (Heal would help) for example if you have good frontline ez good easly heal frontline in teamfights while damaging enemies. While if you have lots of backline champs corki would be better since ussualy you would have to trade heal for dmg on ezreal or vise versa

I do autoattack with ezreal But its not what ezreal is supposed to be played like nowdays (By community standards) You cant abuse the attackspeed to the fullest if you spam abilites all the time .. you ll definetly lose on some attackspeed. The more As you

Attackspeed ll never be satisfying for ezreal ..unless you increase it to the overpowerd numbers in which case ezreal wont build like he does nowdays

Only attackspeed item I get is trinity

Bârd1 votes

But then Ezreal soraka botlane becomes cancer (Soraka heals Ezreal, Ezreal makes up for the HP cost)

Poske1 votes

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But then Ezreal soraka botlane becomes cancer (Soraka heals Ezreal, Ezreal makes up for the HP cost)

I dont think the combo is that good. Ez + soraka ll certainly survive the lane but they wont win it

Best support for ezreal is taric (It has nothing to do with sexuallity) its just the taric hybrid steroid ultimate really fits ezreal

Minions4eVeR1 votes

Bump.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

Do not buff Ezreal's E

Minions4eVeR1 votes

agreed give akali sideboob ty

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