Can we give Yasuo the Riven treatment and gut his HP regen by a ton?

Minions4eVeR·Oct 26, 2015·182 votes·6,220 views

The dude has a fucking shield passive by just walking for a few seconds, a wind wall that literally blocks every single projectile in the game and his E gives him enough mobility to dodge almost every skillshot. Plus, he's fucking resourceless. Yet, he still has a decent base health regen.

If he fucks up and we somwhoe manage to damage him, can we at least make it so he can't just back off with health potions and come back like it was literally nothing? Just make it like Riven, so he gets punished for incorrectly trading in lane.

151 Comments

Akali is SO HOTOct 26, 201520 votes

I agree. Riven and Yasuo both have a shield both of which are nothing alike and therefore they are the same champion and should be nerfed in the same way.

VaralessiaOct 27, 20154 votes

your right, Riven's ability takes up a skill slot and has a small dash attached to it, Yasuo's is a passive and gives him thousands of gold in stats

Akali is SO HOTOct 27, 20153 votes

Thanks for pointing out a difference between the 2 shields further proving that they are indeed the same champion and should both be nerfed accordingly.

VaralessiaOct 27, 20151 votes

They are indeed different with one being stronger than the other, you must keep in mind the weight of a skill slot. After all, you only get three normal abilities and an ultimate. (With exceptions.) If we are to look at things in a vacuum, which we shall do for a second here, the very fact that Yasuo's shield scales with levels and also gives him an immense damage increase for building a normal path on a passive while Riven's essentially forces her flat ad to be significant, with the bonus of a small dash and the fact that the ability is on command.

However, if passives should make that much of an impact I argue that they should be a core part of the champions kit (Bloody lord, I mean look at Evelynn, shes paid for her passive 10 times over.) and the fact that Yasuo gets so much on his passive as well as an extremely strong kit with an ability that can invalidate entire champions with no commitment it means that power has to be taken from other places or taken off of his passive.

Yosuke ApperuOct 27, 20151 votes

Are you trying to imply that riven doesn't build copious amounts of ad? Also riven's shield doesn't pop after a single attack (depending on the strength of said attack) plus it can be used to turret dive, and as you said it has a dash attached to it. When you say he invalidates a champions entire kit.. then it makes me feel like you just macro alll of you abilities together and when he wind walls your first skill, you've already launched everything you had at him. Aside from that his wind wall has a relatively long cool down, so bait it out with one of you abilities. To be honest my biggest two problems with yasuo is that his ult at rank 3 has a 30 second cool down, and that he gets armor pen against me if he ults one of my team mates. Riven is WAY more oppressive in lane imo. Yas also has lower base health as well.

SkiasOct 29, 20151 votes

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Are you trying to imply that riven doesn't build copious amounts of ad? Also riven's shield doesn't pop after a single attack (depending on the strength of said attack) plus it can be used to turret dive, and as you said it has a dash attached to it. When you say he invalidates a champions entire kit.. then it makes me feel like you just macro alll of you abilities together and when he wind walls your first skill, you've already launched everything you had at him. Aside from that his wind wall has a relatively long cool down, so bait it out with one of you abilities. To be honest my biggest two problems with yasuo is that his ult at rank 3 has a 30 second cool down, and that he gets armor pen against me if he ults one of my team mates. Riven is WAY more oppressive in lane imo. Yas also has lower base health as well.

Riven has her shield available more often as well.

Only Play DariusOct 26, 201519 votes

Yasuo has very low base HP and no scaling MR. He's awful to play against but he's balanced.

Also, unlike Riven Yas has no control over when his shield activates. Pop it with a basic attack every so often. His shield strength also doesn't scale with items and it's uptime isn't anywhere near Riven's shield, which is available every 7 seconds or so.

VaralessiaOct 27, 20153 votes

"pop it with a basic attack"

Diana Ekko Akali Evelynn

what an easy requirement to fill for melee's

Only Play DariusOct 27, 201512 votes

They don't need to because most melees shred Yasuo in early game trades regardless.

Diana is one of Yasuo's hardest counters in lane, no idea why you listed her Ekko can throw his Q at Yasuo to pop the shield Akali destroys Yasuo once she hits 6 Evelynn the hell is she doing mid?

Auz the RipperOct 27, 20152 votes

Evelynn used to be a legit thing

SaltyKrackaOct 27, 20151 votes

You do realize that people don't only take Yasuo mid?

Only Play DariusOct 27, 20152 votes

Don't even get me started on Yasuo top. Bruisers counter assassins, honestly I have no idea why people willingly put Yasuo toplane.

Here are some common top laners: Garen Darius Rip Yasuo apart in lane Riven Literally Yasuo's hardest counter Jax Read his kit Malphite Too much armor for Yas to make a dent Tryndamere Will out-DPS, out-crit, and out-sustain Yas The only meta toplaner I ever see Yasuo reliably crush is Nasus , but beating Nasus early game is not an achievement by any definition. And if Nasus's jungler actually bothers to gank, Nasus will wither Yas and Yasuo WILL die in that gank. After a couple of good ganks Nasus will start oustcaling Yas and at that point there's nothing Yasuo can do about him.

Yasuo top is only good to punish people who cheese pick ranged/squishy champions for top lane.

Slamurai JackOct 28, 20151 votes

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Don't even get me started on Yasuo top. Bruisers counter assassins, honestly I have no idea why people willingly put Yasuo toplane.

Here are some common top laners: Rip Yasuo apart in lane Literally Yasuo's hardest counter Read his kit Too much armor for Yas to make a dent Will out-DPS, out-crit, and out-sustain Yas The only meta toplaner I ever see Yasuo reliably crush is , but beating Nasus early game is not an achievement by any definition. And if Nasus's jungler actually bothers to gank, Nasus will wither Yas and Yasuo WILL die in that gank. After a couple of good ganks Nasus will start oustcaling Yas and at that point there's nothing Yasuo can do about him.

Yasuo top is only good to punish people who cheese pick ranged/squishy champions for top lane.

Only about half of those are correct. Garen is absolute hell and should autowin the lane unless Garen has brain damage. Malphite and Tryndamere are also a free lane so long as they aren't stupid and die at lvl 2.

The rest of them are varying degrees of skill matchups. Yasuo dumps on Darius early and can very easily snowball and keep him down the entire game. Jax actually gets murdered by Yasuo for the first 10 minutes or so since his counter strike is so easy for Yasuo to outplay when there are minions around and constant trading will force Jax oom very quickly. Riven is more of a skill matchup the higher elo you go and is very easily winnable by Yasuo and he can snowball just as hard off of her as she can off of him.

Nasus is an interesting one because although Yasuo can bully Nasus really hard early, unless he gets multiple early kills, Nasus' combo of stacking defense with his Q damage and wither just becomes too much for Yasuo to handle. It's a fairly solid matchup for Yasuo overall but if anything bad happens to him early, he's completely donezo. Most of Yasuo's top lane matchups are pretty straightforward: Bully your lane opponent early and gain enough of a lead that you can survive their stronger first back/ult powerspikes long enough to get your Shiv. Then it turns into Yasuo's lane again for pretty much the rest of the game unless the other top laner gets fed somehow. However, if anything bad were to happen early on in the matchup, such as a successful early gank on the Yasuo, he is completely boned and has pretty much no way to recover against competent enemies other than a camp by his own jungler or a big TP play.

xFrostKnightxOct 28, 20151 votes

I stopped reading after you said Yas murders Jax. An AA champion destroying Jax. AA a Jax. Jax.

Ninja and Omen and you pretty much chunk off 30% of his damage(this is the exact math BEFORE armour resist), not counting if you're tank top with reinforced armour which ninja strait up shuts Yas down before 7min.

It's rather boring to discuss lane match ups when people are so bias and favour a champion just like you make it sound as if Yas is unstoppable, "oh and only a shit Yas would lose lane"

You can theorise all you like but the reason Yas is mid is because most mid champions have projectiles and mages are squish. Yas top you have a useless W and the enemy is a designated bruiser/tank who isn't squish or skill shot reliant as mid.

Watch more diamond/master Yas games you'll realise most of what you think isn't so valid.

SkiasOct 29, 20151 votes

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I stopped reading after you said Yas murders Jax. An AA champion destroying Jax. AA a Jax. Jax.

Ninja and Omen and you pretty much chunk off 30% of his damage(this is the exact math BEFORE armour resist), not counting if you're tank top with reinforced armour which ninja strait up shuts Yas down before 7min.

It's rather boring to discuss lane match ups when people are so bias and favour a champion just like you make it sound as if Yas is unstoppable, "oh and only a shit Yas would lose lane"

You can theorise all you like but the reason Yas is mid is because most mid champions have projectiles and mages are squish. Yas top you have a useless W and the enemy is a designated bruiser/tank who isn't squish or skill shot reliant as mid.

Watch more diamond/master Yas games you'll realise most of what you think isn't so valid.

Yasuo is just very safe when behind. He doesnt need to win lanes, he needs to be in teamfights. One good ult can cost you a lot.

PoskeOct 28, 20152 votes

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Only about half of those are correct. Garen is absolute hell and should autowin the lane unless Garen has brain damage. Malphite and Tryndamere are also a free lane so long as they aren't stupid and die at lvl 2.

The rest of them are varying degrees of skill matchups. Yasuo dumps on Darius early and can very easily snowball and keep him down the entire game. Jax actually gets murdered by Yasuo for the first 10 minutes or so since his counter strike is so easy for Yasuo to outplay when there are minions around and constant trading will force Jax oom very quickly. Riven is more of a skill matchup the higher elo you go and is very easily winnable by Yasuo and he can snowball just as hard off of her as she can off of him.

Nasus is an interesting one because although Yasuo can bully Nasus really hard early, unless he gets multiple early kills, Nasus' combo of stacking defense with his Q damage and wither just becomes too much for Yasuo to handle. It's a fairly solid matchup for Yasuo overall but if anything bad happens to him early, he's completely donezo. Most of Yasuo's top lane matchups are pretty straightforward: Bully your lane opponent early and gain enough of a lead that you can survive their stronger first back/ult powerspikes long enough to get your Shiv. Then it turns into Yasuo's lane again for pretty much the rest of the game unless the other top laner gets fed somehow. However, if anything bad were to happen early on in the matchup, such as a successful early gank on the Yasuo, he is completely boned and has pretty much no way to recover against competent enemies other than a camp by his own jungler or a big TP play.

So wrong rofl

First thing you have to know is yasuo is weak against bruisers

Jax can jump on yasuo.. reactivate his e .. TBH he doesnt even need fucking e to 1vs1 yasuo. he can beat him with 3 spells ANY FUKING DAY Xin zhao is another bruiser which bullies him so hard its funny The higher you climb the more Riven wins the yasuo riven matchup to the point where i would flame you if you had picked yasuo into riven in diamond even before you would lose the lane.. /or win by some miracle

Wither kills yasuo.. Nasus should have free stacks in this matchup honestly

Garen bullies him with his ability rotation Yasuo vs trynda is actually even matchup

For the gods sake GET FUC-KING TRINITY IF YOU ARE TOP YASUO

eh amaters

Slamurai JackOct 28, 20151 votes

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So wrong rofl

First thing you have to know is yasuo is weak against bruisers

Jax can jump on yasuo.. reactivate his e .. TBH he doesnt even need fucking e to 1vs1 yasuo. he can beat him with 3 spells ANY FUKING DAY Xin zhao is another bruiser which bullies him so hard its funny The higher you climb the more Riven wins the yasuo riven matchup to the point where i would flame you if you had picked yasuo into riven in diamond even before you would lose the lane.. /or win by some miracle

Wither kills yasuo.. Nasus should have free stacks in this matchup honestly

Garen bullies him with his ability rotation Yasuo vs trynda is actually even matchup

For the gods sake GET FUC-KING TRINITY IF YOU ARE TOP YASUO

eh amaters

Somehow, I'm gonna go with the guy that has 600+ Yasuo games over the guy with less than 100 Yasuo games. Especially when the second guy can't even manage a positive K/D or winrate with him. Somehow, someway, I feel like my opinion on his matchups is somewhat more valid.

PoskeOct 29, 20151 votes

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Somehow, I'm gonna go with the guy that has 600+ Yasuo games over the guy with less than 100 Yasuo games. Especially when the second guy can't even manage a positive K/D or winrate with him. Somehow, someway, I feel like my opinion on his matchups is somewhat more valid.

But is he higher elo then me= ITS simple question?

if he is like plat or below then its pointless ..

Slamurai JackOct 29, 20151 votes

You're Diamond 4 on EUNE, don't get ahead of yourself.

PoskeOct 30, 20151 votes

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You're Diamond 4 on EUNE, don't get ahead of yourself.

Does North America need fucking lecture once again WE saw you at freaking worlds

Half of Worlds EU players are FROM EUNE AREA. They have EUW accounts to because thats where Pro players first started meeting

EUNE>NA anyday

And i PEEKED Diamond1 70 lp this season ..

So i ll repeat it ... If that guy is lower division then I am then whole this discusion is pointles. I higly doubt he is above gold WHEN he claims that Yasuo Counters jax riven etc...

Mostlikely silver

Slamurai JackOct 30, 20151 votes

It's not that hard to look up. You have my summoner name and everything.

PoskeOct 31, 20151 votes

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It's not that hard to look up. You have my summoner name and everything.

Platinum 1 2300 ranked games and you are only plat?

2300 FREAKING RANKED GAMES AND YOU CLAIM THAT YASUO COUNTERS JAX AND RIVEN?

I guess everything works at plat

Whats next Vladimir counters fiddlestick?

Just because you faced some trash JAX players who still think Botrk is core on jax or some riven players who cant animation cancel doesnt mean yasuo Counters them

If the players are equally good Then Jax > Yasuo Jax > Riven Riven > Yasuo

If the players are equally good but both are bad .. then its like pointless to compare

Slamurai JackOct 31, 20151 votes

I never said he counters them, and I'm sorry that you can't actually read. I said that Yasuo crushes Jax for the first 10 minutes and that Yasuo vs. Riven is a skill matchup. If you're gonna argue with what I'm saying, at least understand it first.

Jax is no exception. I've played Yasuo over 600 times, and that's how the matchup plays out. Yasuo brutally bullies Jax early but gets outscaled after around 10 minutes assuming he isn't well ahead by then. Here's another one you won't believe: Yasuo vs. Riven is a skill matchup and the idea that Riven is this amazing counter to Yasuo is a load of crap.

And please, spare me the "2300 games and only plat" line. You've been playing since season 2 minimum and I've been playing since the beginning of season 4 and I've already reached the elo you're at now, even if I'm no longer there atm. The fact that I've been diamond 4 in just my second year of ranked and you're still there in your 4th year is an embarassment for you, not for me.

PoskeOct 31, 20151 votes

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I never said he counters them, and I'm sorry that you can't actually read. I said that Yasuo crushes Jax for the first 10 minutes and that Yasuo vs. Riven is a skill matchup. If you're gonna argue with what I'm saying, at least understand it first.

Jax > Yasuo

regardless of level

Yeah yasuo can maybe pull of lvl 1/2 chesse but its unlikely that jax ll fall on lane to that.. since that trick never works

Riven > Yasuo

Riven is insane counter to yasuo Just check any LOL Counter site

You ll see that jax and riven are top counters for yasuo

I told you before ONLY TIME You ll see riven mid is when she is up against yasuo get it? (or kassadin)

Slamurai JackOct 31, 20151 votes

You can keep arguing with my experience as much as you want; Yasuo shits on Jax for the first 10 minutes, especially at lvls 1 and 2. He simply doesn't have the damage early to beat through Yasuo's shield, he doesn't have the sustain to battle through Yasuo's constant poke and harass, and he doesn't have the mana to trade often early either. Jax does have a chance to win the lane after the first back before Yasuo gets Shiv and he eventually outscales Yasuo late in the game, but for the first 10 minutes, Jax is Yasuo's bitch and Yasuo can easily get far enough ahead that Jax can never come back.

As for Riven. She's not. She doesn't have many of the things Yasuo hates most. She has no targeted gap closer. She has no natural sustain. She has no point and click burst. She has no unavoidable hard CC. Her ult can be outplayed if you manage your dashes properly. What the counter sites say doesn't matter, what matters are the stats. And the stats are, for top lane, Yasuo 48.03% vs Riven 51.97%. That's not a hard counter. That is, at best, a skill matchup that favors Riven slightly. And that is not nearly enough for me to be afraid of. You know who does scare me as Yasuo? Annie Irelia Garen MonkeyKing Renekton Kennen . All champions that stifle Yasuo's early game power while giving Yasuo very few counterplay options once they hit their power spikes. Riven does not do either unless she's already ahead.

SkiasOct 29, 20151 votes

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Somehow, I'm gonna go with the guy that has 600+ Yasuo games over the guy with less than 100 Yasuo games. Especially when the second guy can't even manage a positive K/D or winrate with him. Somehow, someway, I feel like my opinion on his matchups is somewhat more valid.

Jax is also an old faceroll champion, his kit is almost entirely steroid. He has a lot less room for error than yasuo does.

DarthSpectrumOct 26, 20156 votes

I'm not sure if this is the correct department to nerf him in for several reasons.

Firstly, Yasuo's defensive abilities work differently than Riven's. Riot has already tried making damage stick better on Yasuo by nerfing his passive shield.

His shield has already been gutted since release. The shield value was decreased to around 2/3 of its original value and eventually received a tiny buff when Riot realized it didn't even block half an ADC's auto late game. The shield regeneration on his E has also been completely removed. Yasuo used to be able to get his shield back around every 5 seconds like Riven, but now Yasuo needs 13 seconds of straight walking to fill his Flow Bar from 0 to 100 at level 18 with tier 2 boots and shiv (Or if he uses Last Breath of course).

Just recently, Yasuo's shield regeneration took another hit in exchange for 50 to 100 more hit points. It actually takes him 17 seconds now at early levels to recharge his shield.

Also, don't forget the fact that he can't choose when his shield activates. Most champions have no problem throwing a ranged auto at it before engaging, and melee champions can punch right through it.

I am mentioning his passive Flow Shield because it essentially acts very similar to hp/5. The only thing the shield nerfs accomplished was that they significantly decreased the number of Top Yasuo games.

Secondly, Yasuo mitigates damage by mostly avoiding it completely. He is extremely effective against skill shot mages, but struggles significantly against champions with point and click attacks such as Azir, Malzahar, and Annie. Nerfing his hp/5 will only further emphasize his strengths at dodging abilities and expose his weakness to those he can't dodge.

On top of that, Yasuo also has some of the lowest base HP and MR in the game. Given his win rates on Champion.gg, statistically skill-shot based mages such as Brand and Vel'koz can absolutely demolish Yasuo because they can land skill shots consistently enough. Between a 17 second uncontrollable passive shield, 25 second Wind Wall, and some low base stats, it seems Yasuo does struggle against some skill shot mages.

If you want to nerf Yasuo, consider making his double critical chance passive kick in later by tying it to level or something. In terms of defense, Yasuo is possible one of the worst champions in League.

SkiasOct 27, 20151 votes

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I'm not sure if this is the correct department to nerf him in for several reasons.

Firstly, Yasuo's defensive abilities work differently than Riven's. Riot has already tried making damage stick better on Yasuo by nerfing his passive shield.

His shield has already been gutted since release. The shield value was decreased to around 2/3 of its original value and eventually received a tiny buff when Riot realized it didn't even block half an ADC's auto late game. The shield regeneration on his E has also been completely removed. Yasuo used to be able to get his shield back around every 5 seconds like Riven, but now Yasuo needs 13 seconds of straight walking to fill his Flow Bar from 0 to 100 at level 18 with tier 2 boots and shiv (Or if he uses Last Breath of course).

Just recently, Yasuo's shield regeneration took another hit in exchange for 50 to 100 more hit points. It actually takes him 17 seconds now at early levels to recharge his shield.

Also, don't forget the fact that he can't choose when his shield activates. Most champions have no problem throwing a ranged auto at it before engaging, and melee champions can punch right through it.

I am mentioning his passive Flow Shield because it essentially acts very similar to hp/5. The only thing the shield nerfs accomplished was that they significantly decreased the number of Top Yasuo games.

Secondly, Yasuo mitigates damage by mostly avoiding it completely. He is extremely effective against skill shot mages, but struggles significantly against champions with point and click attacks such as Azir, Malzahar, and Annie. Nerfing his hp/5 will only further emphasize his strengths at dodging abilities and expose his weakness to those he can't dodge.

On top of that, Yasuo also has some of the lowest base HP and MR in the game. Given his win rates on Champion.gg, statistically skill-shot based mages such as Brand and Vel'koz can absolutely demolish Yasuo because they can land skill shots consistently enough. Between a 17 second uncontrollable passive shield, 25 second Wind Wall, and some low base stats, it seems Yasuo does struggle against some skill shot mages.

If you want to nerf Yasuo, consider making his double critical chance passive kick in later by tying it to level or something. In terms of defense, Yasuo is possible one of the worst champions in League.

If they want to take a nerf to Yasuo, I'd say reduce his crit bonus passive. Its the reason that static shiv spikes his power so incredibly hard. He gets double the crit for the gold he spends. He's incredibly stat efficient. Riven spikes the same way for the same reason. A little goes a long way for her.

Sneak DogOct 27, 20151 votes

When someone else buys 50% crit chance, they deal on average 150% damage. When Yasuo buys 50% crit chance, he deals on average 180% damage. Yasuo effectively gains up to 30% crit chance, worth 1500g taking brawler's glove as a base.

He does not gain double value from crit chance.

SkiasOct 27, 20151 votes

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When someone else buys 50% crit chance, they deal on average 150% damage. When Yasuo buys 50% crit chance, he deals on average 180% damage. Yasuo effectively gains up to 30% crit chance, worth 1500g taking brawler's glove as a base.

He does not gain double value from crit chance.

He gains double value from crit chance. An item purchased for him has double the the value. You purchase Brawler's gloves and you get two if you're Yasuo.

Stars ShaperOct 28, 20152 votes

Except his crit damage on AA is lowered by 10% and his Q crit damage is lowered by 25%.

But yeah, giving actual and complete information might ruin your biased point.

SkiasOct 29, 20151 votes

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Except his crit damage on AA is lowered by 10% and his Q crit damage is lowered by 25%.

But yeah, giving actual and complete information might ruin your biased point.

Actually, his overall crit damage is lowered by 10%, which can be completely negated with runes. Try again.

Stars ShaperOct 29, 20151 votes

"Way of the Wanderer's critical strike damage penalty with Steel Tempest is 25% instead of 10%"

How about checking the wiki before wetting yourself?

SkiasOct 29, 20151 votes

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"Way of the Wanderer's critical strike damage penalty with Steel Tempest is 25% instead of 10%"

How about checking the wiki before wetting yourself?

Ok, so even with that in mind he still gains twice the critical strike offered from any item he purchases. He still hits like a truck and does crazy damage, especially if he ults you. He has incredible come back potential. 25% reduction on an ability with decent range and an awesome cd is nothing. Hes still going to get a lucky crit or two early and likely score a kill because of the rng god that loves him best.

Stars ShaperOct 29, 20151 votes

A god damn dense guy we got here...

"A standard critical strike's 200% damage is reduced to 180%, and a critical strike with Infinity Edge item.png Infinity Edge deals 225% damage instead of 250%"

So he does not get double benefits he has everything toned down. Also god forbids a Melee Carry to have a steroid in his kit, just because this is called critical chance it doesn't make it more powerful than raw AD or even true damage (which doesn't force you to ignore life steal and so giving you shitty sustain).

SkiasOct 29, 20151 votes

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A god damn dense guy we got here...

"A standard critical strike's 200% damage is reduced to 180%, and a critical strike with Infinity Edge item.png Infinity Edge deals 225% damage instead of 250%"

So he does not get double benefits he has everything toned down. Also god forbids a Melee Carry to have a steroid in his kit, just because this is called critical chance it doesn't make it more powerful than raw AD or even true damage (which doesn't force you to ignore life steal and so giving you shitty sustain).

Youre fucking dense. Do you think the tiny percentage penalty he suffers makes critical strikes stat weight for him bad? He gets double the critical strike RATING. So what if he deals a percentage less, when hes criting you constantly pre6, when crit makes a massive impact.

If it wasnt good, he wouldnt be the pain in the ass in lane that he is.

Stars ShaperOct 30, 20151 votes

If he is constantly critting you pre 6 means you were afk in middlefield and came back just to be afk because he can't have SS and IE pre 6 in a regular match.

You also forgot to read the seocnd part of my post which explains to your little brian that 2xCrit chance is Yasuo Steroid the same way Trynda has his and Yi/Fiora have bonus damage/true damage.

chriseritOct 27, 20151 votes

He is extremely effective against skill shot mages, but struggles significantly against champions with point and click attacks such as Azir, Malzahar, and Annie.

what? Azir point and click? which game are you playing?

DarthSpectrumOct 27, 20151 votes

League? Azir mostly deal damage with his soldier AAs. In addition, W can be cast over the wind wall.

A good Azir is one of the hardest counters against Yasuo.

chriseritOct 28, 20151 votes

Being a counter doesn't mean he is a point and click champ.

Elipso NiteOct 28, 20151 votes

The only skillshot in Azir's kit is his Q and arguably his ult. What game are you playing?

The Bearded BardOct 26, 20153 votes

Not like it'll matter anyway. AoE autoattack and crits means a rather ridiculous amount of healing from lifesteal.

Stars ShaperOct 26, 201542 votes

Ignorance at its finest.

Yasuo's Q counts as an AA only for the first target hit plus his build path doesn't let him build Life Steal before he got 2-3 items already. If he does he is terribly behind and will stay behind.

BleedissOct 26, 20154 votes

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Ignorance at its finest.

Yasuo's Q counts as an AA only for the first target hit plus his build path doesn't let him build Life Steal before he got 2-3 items already. If he does he is terribly behind and will stay behind.

since when did OP mention lifesteal

Stars ShaperOct 26, 201517 votes

See the guy I replied to. If you are not in "discussion mode" you probably can't see it.

BleedissOct 26, 20154 votes

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See the guy I replied to. If you are not in "discussion mode" you probably can't see it.

oh okay

ApocylipticOct 27, 20154 votes

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See the guy I replied to. If you are not in "discussion mode" you probably can't see it.

Please tell me how to enable this, because I have no clue and it's been bothering the hell out of me.

IS1a442cd69a169ed293a39Oct 27, 20153 votes

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Please tell me how to enable this, because I have no clue and it's been bothering the hell out of me.

There is a button above the first reply. It's under the big text "Discuss".

o0O Madoka O0oOct 26, 20151 votes

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Not like it'll matter anyway. AoE autoattack and crits means a rather ridiculous amount of healing from lifesteal.

I think only the first one applies? because lifesteal is coded as on hit effect. Not that sure after they made on-hit counted for lifesteal too.