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Riot dont nerf Evelynn!! if you recude 20 damage from her Q she would drop back to 39% win ratio

19902013RIP Kira··14 votes·1,277 views

When evelynn was having 80 damage on her Q evelynn was having 39% win ratio and nobody was playing her and riot buff her BECAUSE SHE WAS USELESS

But now for some reason riot want to nerf her again to this old values? wtf is that? does riot even believe that the new AP jungle item help her? the new item make her to not be able to build lich bane or triforce....and the new Warrior would be bad for her too because Evelynn dosent AA

So why the hell riot nerfing evelynn so bad?

For me if they afraid for some weird reason the damage on her Q then put her damage on her Q at 80 but make the speed travel or the range of the Q bigger!! that way it would be balanced!!

Plus till the next patch evelynn would have drop to 40% win ratio because simple atm nobody play her and everybody play the xin/shyvana/ww/yi/udyr because of the new devourer...

But riot was like "hmmm what champion is bad and we can make her even worst? oh yeah evelynn"

I guess riot start nerfing everyone that have see even 1 game in LCS because the worlds are near and lee sin need to be 100% picked in worlds !!

16 Comments

AngelSpite2 votes

It is worse than the old values. It was 90 before, not 80. Screw, Riot for nerfing and disliking my main. Evelynn is not allowed to be in WORLDS!

3tyson1 votes

Ye h i rlly dont feel like seeing ww xin udyr and yi all day rlly...

A Miss Fortune1 votes

They gave her a much stronger slow on her ultimate, and took off a bit of her late game Q damage.

19902013RIP Kira4 votes

Who cares if the ulti slow more? like seriously evelynn is an assasin well that was supposed to be not some ultility support tank that riot force her to become...

Widder881 votes

The base damage nerf is more a nerf for her tanky playstyle, less for her assassin playstyle. If you buy 0 offense, Q loses 20% of its damage. If you buy 600 AP, Q loses only 4.6% of its damage for example. It is Riots answer to this stupid Warrior into Tank playstyle in LCS. But I wish Riot would buff the AP and AD scaling like in patch 4.13 - the last time the base damage was nerfed.

19902013RIP Kira1 votes

Exactly The nerfs are not hurting the AP build they hurting the tank playstyle that you dont buy too much damage!!

And to answer the other guy Yeah i play evelynn AP with item 3708 item 3020 item 3146 item 3285 item 3116 item 3151 i have around 700 AP and tons of mobility and MS and damage plus some healthy stats!!

But now riot remove 20 damage from the only AP skill on evelynn and they do that because they want to destroy AP evelynn for ever and force us to play her tank or some retarded AD build that its useless.....Plus what its better to have an E that deal lets say with full AD build 220+300AD (because you cant go more than 300 ad as eve) or 220+700AP+170AD+10%Magic damage from the mastery +75% of that coverted in Magic damage plus 100% Physical damage from spellblade from runeglave?? you make the math~!

Widder881 votes

[{quoted}](name=19902013RIP Kira,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ni18X6gH,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-10T23:14:47.699+0000) But now riot remove 20 damage from the only AP skill on evelynn and they do that because they want to destroy AP evelynn for ever and force us to play her tank or some retarded AD build that its useless.....

20 damage less is not that much for AP Eve. She can compensate it, AD Eve and Tank Eve can't.

Lets compare her Q pre-4.13 and post-5.14:

Before 4.13 Q was 120 + 45% AP + 50% Bonus-AD. After 5.14 Q will be 80 + 55% AP + 70% Bonus-AD.

This means you need 400 AP or 200 Bonus-AD to compensate the base damage nerf. AP Eve can buy 600-700 AP without having problems, but it is not a good idea to buy more than 150 Bonus-AD.

If you max Q first (maybe max E first now?) every playstyle is hurt in the mid game, but AP Eve can compensate it, and can even get more damage in the late game than before 4.13. AD-Eve can't do that. And Tank Eve? How is that even possible? I don't know.

That Riot wants to destroy AP Eve is the wrong story. But they don't want to give her compensation buffs this time.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

The nerf/buff didn't really hurt her playstyle as an assassin.

It hurt AP Evelynn, but there's not really a big reason to actually go AP Evelynn since her E gives her 120% attack speed, and her Q has higher AD scaling anyyyways. These changes gave her a lot more early game power when she hits level 6, and if you want to play her as an assassin just go AD, if you want to be a tanky go for it, but there's relatively no reason to play her AP unless you want to have a non exisent early game and only be useful at around full build.

I think the changes are positive, since Evelynn's ganks really aren't that good, or at least in higher elo. People don't realize that her stealth doesn't mean she automatically is the best ganking champion. She has pretty much no CC and for her to even use her Q she has to auto attack you or something around you. So this is a really great buff and will help Evelynn out a ton in ganks.

Widder881 votes

{quoted} It hurt AP Evelynn, but there's not really a big reason to actually go AP Evelynn since her E gives her 120% attack speed, and her Q has higher AD scaling anyyyways.

But you need more tankyness if you want to use that attack speed, And even if you go Full AD Q and E will do way less damage than with Full AP. Compare 250 Bonus-AD with 700 AP: Q: 275 vs. 485, E: 480 vs. 1000.

to even use her Q she has to auto attack you or something around you.

She can use Q whenever she is in range.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

Due to the fact that Ability Power scales higher than Attack Damage, unless you're building 6 Infinity Edges or something, late game her Q and E will do more damage, but it won't be enough.

AP Evelynn doesn't make use of a colossal attack speed buff, and since everything scales off AD anyways, her auto attacks can hit really hard. I usually build something like item 3153 item 3142 item 3146 item 3117 item 3190 item 3707 . Makes her a bit tanky with mobility and great burst or chasing potential.

I don't really know why people argue AP Evelynn is really strong though, don't get me wrong it's a lot stronger than some off-meta builds, but if you had to choose between AD and AP Eve as a strong damage output, AP Eve wouldn't really ever have a higher damage output, since her Q doesn't do more damage until you hit late game, and AP Eve can't make the use out of 120% attack speed nearly as well as AD Evelynn.

Widder881 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ni18X6gH,comment-id=00020000000100000000,timestamp=2015-07-11T15:14:44.589+0000)

Due to the fact that Ability Power scales higher than Attack Damage, unless you're building 6 Infinity Edges or something, late game her Q and E will do more damage, but it won't be enough.

AP Evelynn doesn't make use of a colossal attack speed buff, and since everything scales off AD anyways, her auto attacks can hit really hard. I usually build something like item 3153 item 3142 item 3146 item 3117 item 3190 item 3707 . Makes her a bit tanky with mobility and great burst or chasing potential.

I don't really know why people argue AP Evelynn is really strong though, don't get me wrong it's a lot stronger than some off-meta builds, but if you had to choose between AD and AP Eve as a strong damage output, AP Eve wouldn't really ever have a higher damage output, since her Q doesn't do more damage until you hit late game, and AP Eve can't make the use out of 120% attack speed nearly as well as AD Evelynn.

Q and E does more damage with AP very early in the game.

Compare Warrior+Botrk (65 AD) vs. Runeglaive+Rabadons (229.5 AP):

Warrior+Botrk adds 65x0.7 = 45.5 damage to Q Runeglaive+Rabadons adds 229.5x0,55 = **126.225 **damage to Q

Warrior+Botrk adds 65+~160 (2x Botrk against a target with 1000 current health) = 225 damage to E (damage is further increased by Warriors armor pen.) Runeglaive+Rabadons adds 229.5x1.4 (1.0+0.3 from runeglaive + 2x0.05 from arcane blade) + 85 (Runeglaive base damage at Level 11) = 406.3

So Q and E does way more damage with AP. If you buy Hydra instead of Botrk, Q will do a bit more damage, but E will do way less damage. Anyway AP is way better for her Abilitys.

AD Evelynn does more damage with Autoattacks, but AP Evelynn can do the same damage faster, from higher range and while running away. AD does more damage only if you autoattack for a long time, but this is more easy to prevent for your opponents and you need more tankyness to do it. But if you buy tankyness you fall even more behind AP Eve damage-wise, what makes it very difficult to assassinate targets. AP Evelynn can kill targets very quickly, and this is the most efficient way to use her stealth.

I played AD Eve in Season 4 for a very long time, then I changed to AP and I was really surprised how strong it is. First I bough Nashors Tooth all the time, because I thought I need to have strong Autoattacks. Later I noticed that that is not even needed. Before I changed to AP Evelynn I read all these whining comments in the internet, that AP Eve was nerfed to death. These comments are always the same. But it is all bullshit. AP Eve is not even close to be dead.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

Q: Higher bonus AD scaling, lower AP scaling

E: Same scaling

Sure AP Evelynn is more bursty, but she's pretty irrelevant until late game. Her clears are terrible in comparison, and her early game ganks are even worse.

Widder881 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ni18X6gH,comment-id=0002000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-11T17:45:08.857+0000)

Q: Higher bonus AD scaling, lower AP scaling

E: Same scaling

But AP is way cheaper than AD. 55% AP is more effective than 70% Bonus-AD.

Sure AP Evelynn is more bursty, but she's pretty irrelevant until late game. Her clears are terrible in comparison, and her early game ganks are even worse.

I use hybrid masteries and AD marks on AP Evelynn and then buy AP items. AD is good for the early game, but items are bought for mid and late game, because the early game is already over by the time you have the money for items.

Oerba No Naja1 votes

its hard to aa with eve anyway , in team fight i mean

True Lizard1 votes

Am I the only one who got a headache from reading this?

Oerba No Naja1 votes

aggreed item 3151

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