A closer look at these Leona "buffs"

Dracocrash·Aug 23, 2017·3 votes·1,741 views

Passive - Sunlight MARK DURATION 3.5 seconds ⇒ 1.5 seconds DAMAGE 20-105 (at levels 1-18) ⇒ 25-144 (at levels 1-18)

The extra damage is nice, and its definitly going to help leona throughout all stages of the game. But then we look at the mark duration. in solo queue, no ADC will be able to proc that mark in 1.5 s I guarantee it. You have to be really co-ordinated with your adc in lane to proc marks, so Leona has basically been made the ADC's bitch. Slow adc = rip leona's passive proc.

Q - Shield of Daybreak COOLDOWN 9/8/7/6/5 seconds ⇒ 6 seconds

THIS.
First riot's balancing team GUTS the base damage on leona W. and makes it so that you have to max Q in lane. NOW, they ruin Q max too. What do you want from leona players riot? Do you want them to quit leona?

24 Comments

FlameStringAug 23, 20172 votes

so.. you think people will quit leona.. cause they buffed her Q.. understandable

DracocrashAug 23, 20171 votes

noh, they keep changing the skill you need to max. Initially Leona only had to max W. Then they changed it to Q. Then they changed it to W again 6 months later.

My point is, riot does what they want to leona on a whim, changing a champions play style heavily effects a players ability to main her.

THAT was my point in case you were too... special to comprehend it.

YokoNomiAug 23, 20171 votes

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noh, they keep changing the skill you need to max. Initially Leona only had to max W. Then they changed it to Q. Then they changed it to W again 6 months later.

My point is, riot does what they want to leona on a whim, changing a champions play style heavily effects a players ability to main her.

THAT was my point in case you were too... special to comprehend it.

Says the guy that can't seem to comprehend how rapidly changing the game is in terms of its items, champs, or otherwise, so trying to pick out Leona as a special case is rather redundant. Not entirely sure why you thought attempting to insult another would earn you brownie points in a debate about the changes this patch.

DracocrashAug 23, 20171 votes

if you comment a half assed sarcastic comment on a post , dont expect a sugar coated reply, k?

YokoNomiAug 23, 20171 votes

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if you comment a half assed sarcastic comment on a post , dont expect a sugar coated reply, k?

I love it when strangers try to be sassy with me over the internet, like they had something to lose if they weren't. Even though I'm not sure how to even make sense of your post in correlation with what I've said. Keep in mind that it's not my intent to actually start anything, so keep your attitude in check please.

DracocrashAug 23, 20171 votes

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so.. you think people will quit leona.. cause they buffed her Q..

Right here, explain what this is. You said something completely empty, putting words in my mouth while completely IGNORING my other statements in my post. (the Q change is not the only change that has lead to the conclusion in my post).

I had 2 choices, I could either ignore you, or give you a reply you deserve.

I'm done with the talk about attitude though, if you have smething to say regarding my post spit it out, or don't whatever.

YokoNomiAug 23, 20171 votes

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Right here, explain what this is. You said something completely empty, putting words in my mouth while completely IGNORING my other statements in my post. (the Q change is not the only change that has lead to the conclusion in my post).

I had 2 choices, I could either ignore you, or give you a reply you deserve. Quite frankly you got what you dealt out. Don't make a sassy statement if you cant take one =)

I'm done with the talk about attitude though, if you have smething to say regarding my post spit it out, or don't whatever.

Now you're replying to me with someone else's post. If you're intent is to reply to that person, please use their post instead. I'd rather not get false notifications. More so due to the fact that if this is the same case with the last post, not wanting to risk sassing for a misdirected reason.

DracocrashAug 23, 20171 votes

lol sorry. Guess I didn't notice i was not talking to the same person. My point still stands, I was justified in defending myself. Sorry for the misdirected rudeness

YokoNomiAug 23, 20171 votes

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lol, Guess I didn't notice i was not talking to the same person. My point still stands, I was justified in defending myself

Just please be wary next time. The backtalk could have been easily avoided.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERAug 23, 20172 votes

It's only one day into the patch why don't we wait until some data pops up and then make suggestions baised of the data and the numbers that were changed.

DracocrashAug 23, 20171 votes

Waiting for numbers is a valid suggestion, but theres no reason I shouldn't analyze the changes and give out my opinion xd

BALDG1VEN BOOMERAug 23, 20171 votes

Well it is only the first day, maybe it just needs time to play around it.

Professor WardAug 23, 20171 votes

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It's only one day into the patch why don't we wait until some data pops up and then make suggestions baised of the data and the numbers that were changed.

has been on pbe for at least 2 weeks

YokoNomiAug 23, 20171 votes

What's the downside? Save mana on ranking up q for the ability to rank up your w early on, or even e.

DracocrashAug 23, 20171 votes

ah dont get me wrong. Theese are buffs. But they make leona so filthy to play. Do you get what I mean? They buffed leona in the worst way possible.

YokoNomiAug 23, 20171 votes

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ah dont get me wrong. Theese are buffs. But they make leona so filthy to play. Do you get what I mean? They buffed leona in the worst way possible.

Until we see it in practice, I'm going to treat this as merely an assumption/opinion, nothing more. Concerns are always relevant, but claims like these are impractical.

DracocrashAug 23, 20171 votes

This is coming from someone who has tried it in practice =(

Final Spark LuxAug 23, 20171 votes

I disagree. It's the same duration as a kalista passive, and it isn't hard to proc that. Regardless, Leona isn't supposed to be some sort of massive high damage juggernaut. She does one thing and does it really well, and thats keeping someone locked down. She doesn't need to be able to deal as much damage as your ADC to be effective.

They actually are buffs. Leona will now be able to peel much more reliably without having to rank Q early game and sacrifice tankiness.

DracocrashAug 23, 20171 votes

I won't deny the fact that these are buffs. But the nature of these buffs makes leona really filthy to play. I don't feel like im playing the same smooth champion anymore.

Final Spark LuxAug 24, 20171 votes

I don't understand how she's somehow less smooth to you. From Leona's perspective, she feels exactly the same to play, 100%. That isn't my opinion, that's a fact. Nothing in her kit has changed to make anything different. You might max a different skill first at this point, but that's changing damage numbers, not functionality. If anything she feels "smoother" to play, since you aren't standing there for 9 seconds after stunning someone early game.

Professor WardAug 23, 20172 votes

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I disagree. It's the same duration as a kalista passive, and it isn't hard to proc that. Regardless, Leona isn't supposed to be some sort of massive high damage juggernaut. She does one thing and does it really well, and thats keeping someone locked down. She doesn't need to be able to deal as much damage as your ADC to be effective.

They actually are buffs. Leona will now be able to peel much more reliably without having to rank Q early game and sacrifice tankiness.

Any decent leona player maxes w, this just allows for a faster q rotation early. The problem is that late im going to actually be getting fewer q's off,** and late is when landing multiple q's really matters for leona. And when fights matter most in general for the team. **

-- Only a buff if you win early from landing multiple q's, and a late game nerf.

Her passive going down 2 seconds for 40 damage** late** is going to reduce overall instances of damage by far more than half. Even the ones that are perfectly coordinated. And especially the ones in late game skirmishes and teamfights. Ill drop the 40 bonus damage for the guaranteed procs all day....

-- Heavily nerfed damage wise throughout the entire game even when played perfectly. (this will 100% produce lower damage avg for leona engage over the entire playerbase)

This is a nerf to the overall playerbase of leona, only near perfect play will benefit from these changes.

Final Spark LuxAug 24, 20171 votes

Again, her damage doesn't matter. If you have to rely on Leona damage to win, you've already lost the game. 1 ADC auto is gonna do at least 3x the damage of Leona's passive. If you ask me, her passive is worthless and doesn't even belong in her kit. She needs to stay alive and lock people down. That's what she does.

Late game, the Q lost 1 second of CD with 0 CDR, and .6 seconds with 40%. That's really negligible. Regardless, if you have a problem with it, there are plenty of items you can build that will make up for losing a measly second on her stun.You don't need perfect play to benefit from the changes. She automatically benefits up to level 7 assuming you still rank Q for no reason at this point, level 14 if you max E over W, and level 18 if you rank Q last.

You've played her all of 32 games over the course of 3 seasons. Please stop talking as if you're an expert on Leona knowledge.

Professor WardSep 16, 20171 votes

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Again, her damage doesn't matter. If you have to rely on Leona damage to win, you've already lost the game. 1 ADC auto is gonna do at least 3x the damage of Leona's passive. If you ask me, her passive is worthless and doesn't even belong in her kit. She needs to stay alive and lock people down. That's what she does.

Late game, the Q lost 1 second of CD with 0 CDR, and .6 seconds with 40%. That's really negligible. Regardless, if you have a problem with it, there are plenty of items you can build that will make up for losing a measly second on her stun.You don't need perfect play to benefit from the changes. She automatically benefits up to level 7 assuming you still rank Q for no reason at this point, level 14 if you max E over W, and level 18 if you rank Q last.

You've played her all of 32 games over the course of 3 seasons. Please stop talking as if you're an expert on Leona knowledge.

32 games? i have 2 accounts with over 100k on leona what are you even talking about? Googling someones boards account is probably the most incorrect way of judging someone on here.

And after all is said and done, nautilus, a champ that can top and jg effectively still trumps leona bot in every sense.