Let's Talk About Poppy

ItsOrval·Nov 13, 2016·4 votes·1,268 views

Passive: Throw a ball at an enemy target to drop a temporary shield Q: Damage/slow W: Gain Armor/Magic Resist E: Push enemies into a wall and stun them R: Knock enemies back.

Poppy needs some help. She is way too tanky for this meta. You can get fed off poppy top lane, but once she builds good old , you wont be able to do a thing to her.

Just last game, I was playing Veigar mid and decided to gank top with our Support Leona and top laner Yasuo. Yasuo was 1/0/0, poppy was 0/0/0 12 minutes in. We get to top lane, i stun poppy, I cast my W, Q on her, does no damage. Leona ults her, yasuo ults her, i ult her, and shes still sitting at 25% health! Something is seriously wrong with poppy, I dont know what it is, but she is too tanky.

Not only that, but she will tower dive you and take no damage, but deals a good amount to you.

26 Comments

TyrekGoldenspearNov 13, 20166 votes

Her W passive gives her bonus resistances that doubles when she's low.

But for real, you shouldn't be surprised.

Leo does no damage 12 mins in.

Veigar does bo damage 12 mins in.

Yas is pretty much the only damage threat and She's shrugged him off before which is why she didn't die to him before.

Also what are you saying? There is no such thing as too tanky in this meta.

Burst and DPS is so high tanks need to be able to do their job.

On that note, Poppy could have been using the new keystone and gotten thr shield off.

ItsOrvalNov 13, 20162 votes

Its not only with yasuo tho. I main top Fiora & Jayce, Ill get fed off Poppy pre-6 then I cant do shit to her. And thats another thing, is the new Keystone which makes her even more tankier. She has too much shields.

Ark SorcererNov 13, 20161 votes

Pre-season 6 and season 6 are two different things. Think about this: RUNE PAGES It is certainly possible for that player to get ALL Armour and magic res. Which increases even more with her w.
Other things to consider: You used one example of ONE Poppy player. I need more examples to see that it wasn't just that player. Who is to say that player knew what she was doing. Who is to say that Yasuo player knew what he was doing? What was your AP at the time? Your AP might have been enough for another mage at 12 minutes in to one shot them, but for a tank early game that isn't anything still. If you think Poppy is too tanky, then you would Hate Sion. He has a passive that makes him gain HP for kills. Back to Poppy and Yasuo. Yasuo is much better at killing squishier targets, which is why he is labeled as assassin even though Riot doesn't call him that in classification. Yasuo is more common in mid than top wouldn't you agree?

Packun FlowerNov 13, 20166 votes

First of all.

Poppy VS Yasuo is not a good match up for Yas. Poppy counters him pretty hard, Tank, Range, Wall stun and decent trade damage, Poppy should win that lane everytime, especially if she rushed item 3143

Secondly, at 12 mins in. Yasuo and Leona damage is subpar at best. Your Yas was 1/0/0 so he was having trouble snowballing in the laning phase, which means his damage is going to suck. If Poppy was building tank its no wonder she came out of the gank with alot of health, survivabillity is her thing. and I am willing to bet if she was laning vs yasuo she pretty much had a free lane to farm. On top of that 2 of those champions use Dashes and Poppy's W both stops and returns damage on dashes, so picking her into your team comp was just smart. Yasuo and Leona are hard engage champions, Poppy is an Anti hard engage champion. Her W and Ult can stop a team comp like yours from engaging easily.

Lastly, yeah she'll tower dive you, she's a tank, and yeah she will damage you because she's a tank. Name me one top lane tank that isin't tank and doesn't have crazy ass damage.

League of top Lane Tower divers.

Chogath Darius DrMundo Garen Irelia JarvanIV Jax Kled Malphite Maokai Nasus Nautilus Olaf Poppy Renekton Shyvana Singed Sion Trundle Tryndamere Volibear Warwick

And lets not forget the bruiser items.

item 3748 item 3071 item 3022 item 3742 item 3814 item 3156 item 3068 item 3001 item 3137 item 3152 item 3151 item 3075

What do all these items have in common? They not only make you harder to kill but they give you some form of damage as well. Be it AP or AD.

All of these Champions can go top, build tank and still wipe you out under turret. In fact I'd say 90% of this list do it better then poppy. Poppy's biggest weakness is kiting. As long as you can do that and stay away from the walls you can harass her in lane easily.

There are worse tanks out there then Poppy.

The AggressorNov 13, 20163 votes

Dont bruisers sound a little top notch top lane then? Just saying if they can tower dive you, take no damage, and deal a lot at the same time, doesnt that sound a little broken?

TyrekGoldenspearNov 13, 20161 votes

Ranged top laners make them cry.

They can't farm, they can't get their items.

RossendaleNov 13, 20163 votes

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Dont bruisers sound a little top notch top lane then? Just saying if they can tower dive you, take no damage, and deal a lot at the same time, doesnt that sound a little broken?

That's an overstatement. Bruisers are tanky damage dealers, yes, but they won't deal as much damage as a pure damage champion nor will they tank as much as a dedicated tank. They're supposed to be like a middle ground between one extreme ( MasterYi Tryndamere ) and the other ( Nautilus Poppy ).

With the whole towerdiving thing, it really is dependant on the bruiser and the champ they're trying to towerdive. Some champions are better at towerdiving than others, and likewise some champs are more suspectible to BEING towerdived.

Packun FlowerNov 13, 20161 votes

Lets also not forget that Turrets are absolute shit and have been for many seasons. the moment most champions hit level 6 Tier 1 turrets do absolutely nothing to stop champions from tower diving.

The AggressorNov 15, 20161 votes

Lol thats true. I was Nasus last game and had 200 armor, went to gank bot under tower. Legit stood under there for over 10 seconds and took only 20% damage.

Ark SorcererNov 13, 20161 votes

Dashes are true but consider about the fact that his dashes are on a .5 to .1 second cooldown. Poppy can only block one dash per champion, so Yasuo can continue dashing like a maniac. That is all. Everything else I agree with your statements. Though I had to stop and think about how would Poppy survive Yasuo but I remembered that I only see him lane against squishies, something Poppy is not. So yeah. Only thing I have.

Toxic Main RivenNov 13, 20162 votes

That's the whole point of being a tank, you soak damage. That's how Riot counters champions with crazy stupid damage like Veigar and Jhin.

DauthauNov 13, 20161 votes

Poppy counters dashes, so Fiora and Jayce are weak in that aspect. Poppy is not as bad as you're making her out to be, just learn how to play around her. Better yet, play her (or someone other than Jayce) so you can learn her strengths and weaknesses. That's what I do when I find a champ that's difficult to play against.

NéthérisNov 13, 20161 votes

Fiora is a real threat to Poppy, main Fiora says, because you can Q W at the same time and stun her not that rarely, even on her E. And Fiora don't even need a item 3071 to kill her, Fiora's pasive is a tank destroyer, Poppy is a resistance stacker !

And even, it might be because EUW '-' But if you mind me, there is my Next gen stuff :

item 3074 item 3111 / item 3047 item 3025 item 3065 item 3812 item 3072 not in that order 100% of the time, but it give mana, AoEs and bulk +40% cdr, with a Life steal based (Masterie +2% and +8% and +20% life steal) it make early trades realy greats, and i take an ignite '-' All Poppys i faced just got destroyed by this stuff...

And for jayce not that much, #GotDestroyedWithPoppyOnce

OglafNov 13, 20161 votes

People need to realize that LoL is not a death match.

CS > Kills in an unfavourable match-up.

Play defensively and just farm until the laning phase crumbles.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 13, 20161 votes

People need to realize that LoL is not a death match.

Team Deathmatch?

######you get an internet cookie if you get the reference

ItsOrvalNov 13, 20161 votes

In low-mid elo (im gold), farming does not do much for you. You can have 220 cs top lane 20 minutes in, but look at your bot lane, theyre feeding, look at mid, your whole team is feeding basically. Thats why I play mid lane Veigar now, ive been getting 15+ kills with 13+ assists every game so far with him. Ive lost only 2 games so far as well out of 9.

When I play farming top lane Fiora (While I harass a bit with my Q), we end up losing because the team feeds and mid does not gank. So my farming does nothing for me.

Ark SorcererNov 13, 20161 votes

Ummm... I wasn't going to comment to this until you said "and mid does not gank." I was honestly laughed a little (a chuckled perhaps) at you for saying you ganked as Veigar, literally a bad choice to mid gank with but whatever. But then you say that when you play Fiora top, mid does not gank. As if the mid is suppose to. Listen, assassins roam to other lanes because their enemy is good and is not dying to them (Kat and LeBlanc- before pre-season 7) OR Marksmen are squishy and they can quickly pick up free kills if they are winning their lane. So they roam to pick up kills to get a lead. The problem is that they are not getting cs, thus gold, and then enemy gets a free push on mid turret, especially if they over stay their welcome. I have been in games where LeBlanc or Kat roamed and I just pinged they were missing. Maybe they get a kill. Maybe they don't. I stay in lane and collect cs and do damage to turret. I will be either ahead of my enemy because of my cs or still with them. They may be 3/0/2 with their roams while I am 0/0/0 but we are at the same level, with me barely coming on top with total gold and same number of completed items with their turret 1/3 HP and mine 19/20 because I have not left my lane (aside from recalling). Imagine if they died in their roam. Say goodbye to Mid lane, easily the most important lane to allow map dominance. Nowhere in the book of "How to Play Mid Lane" does it say you have to gank. So do not blame your mid laner for sticking to their lane because that is what they chose. You cannot blame a top lane or bot lane loss because your mid laner did not gank. Top lane lost because they were not good in comparable terms to their enemy or did not ward and was easy ganking, not because the mid laner and jungler did not gank. Mid laner (and jungler sense I mentioned them) are not bail out of jail cards when you are behind. Take responsibility for lane and do not blame others for you failure to ward or loss in lane.

Back to the topic at hand, CS is more important than kills in long time intervals. Exp and Gold is not as great as you think it would be. If in a 3 minute time frame, one gets 4 kills, that is something. In a 20 minute time frame, one gets 4 kills, that is nothing. Remaining safe and farming on minions is much more powerful than kills. Not to mention farming is also when you are let alone and dedicate to your lane. I bet you try to roam (not tp) to mid or bot to get a kill or set things back. If you don't I apologize. That does not help as your gold and most certainly your exp is hindered.

ItsOrvalNov 13, 20161 votes

I was honestly laughed a little (a chuckled perhaps) at you for saying you ganked as Veigar, literally a bad choice to mid gank with but whatever.

https://s18.postimg.org/rsowt6gqh/2016_11_13.png

Veigar ganks seem to work fine with me. All you have to do is land your E and its an easy first blood for your adc/top laner. The only reason we would lose with such a good lead is because our adc or support would keep going in jungle late game by themselves dying.

I bet you try to roam (not tp) to mid or bot to get a kill or set things back. If you don't I apologize. That does not help as your gold and most certainly your exp is hindered.

Nope, I dont roam when im top lane. Top lane is known as the farming lane for a reason.

Ark SorcererNov 13, 20161 votes

We were talking about ganking as Veigar not playing as Veigar. Play him and win or lose, just have fun. Your score doesn't matter if it is the whole game and the only time you would gank would be early game phase. I would need a compilation video of Veigar ganking and doing well and I will put it to rest.

As for the Fiora bit, as I put in Parathesis, if I was wrong about that, I apologize. Nothing more to say.

You are more then welcome to continue your ganking as a mid laner but do note that as you climb up the ranks, that will cease because countering mid lane roams is easy. It is called pinging that your laner is missing and push like crazy. Free turret at the end of the day. But you do you. If it works, go ahead. I am the one who can never carry a game though I can have a decent performance on a game. So you do you. Have fun.

Shuyin178Nov 13, 20161 votes

Here is the issue, you initiated with YOUR stun instead of saving it for her escape.

Something a surprisingly big number of people don't realize is that spell order and timing means everything. The Pre-Season LeBlanc video is actually gave a very good example of it in regards to her passive.

Ark SorcererNov 13, 20161 votes

I noted that too but if I was going to mention that, I might as well asked why the heck are you ganking as Veigar anyway? The only "Ganking potential" he has is indeed his stun wall but like you said, you should save that for her escape so ganking as him is a poor move. He does not have the mobility or gap closer and Poppy should be able to easily dodge his w's when the shadow appear. So I would have asked his/her logic behind ganking top anyway. If Poppy was 0/0/0 she poses no threat so why the heck leave your lane just to attack an enemy with no threat at that point in time. I won't get started on Leona. This guy should have just stayed in lane and take care of they mid turret, be it the outer or inner mid turrets.

Now if you are a Veigar and you having your jungler gank your lane, trap them inside after the jungler initiates. Ha! If flash is down, this has a high chance of success. Assuming that said enemy does not have some form of sustain (Ekko's ult).

You think it would be common sense to save your stun wall for her escape but whatever. Heck, if I were Poppy, I probably would have just dashed to Veigar and bursted him right then and there (assuming if that Poppy had vision of him before he cased his spell). Anyway. Why are you ganking as Veigar? That is the big question.

Asayake 5150glowNov 13, 20161 votes

Poppy is very strong, but her main problem?

She can't carry.

If she gets fed but her team is shit, her only choice is to build full tank and stall out the game, and hope your team fks up or her team outscales yours.

Ark SorcererNov 13, 20161 votes

I hear you.

Whenever Hexakill was last out, I chose Poppy and everyone on the enemy team was AP. All 6 of them were AP. So I got ALL THE MR. Got like, 250 magic resistance or something of that nature. I got most the kills, got a inhib turret, got the inhibitors but I couldn't finish the game. My team would not follow up and I could not get that Nexus turret and win. We lost that game. Poppy is not highly combative I guess and though I could win 1v1s, I couldn't win the game. As you can imagine, my team did not help all that much but I didn't notice until I was that close to winning when I saw how poor they were.

Poppy can't (easily) carry confirmed.

Asayake 5150glowNov 14, 20161 votes

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I hear you.

Whenever Hexakill was last out, I chose Poppy and everyone on the enemy team was AP. All 6 of them were AP. So I got ALL THE MR. Got like, 250 magic resistance or something of that nature. I got most the kills, got a inhib turret, got the inhibitors but I couldn't finish the game. My team would not follow up and I could not get that Nexus turret and win. We lost that game. Poppy is not highly combative I guess and though I could win 1v1s, I couldn't win the game. As you can imagine, my team did not help all that much but I didn't notice until I was that close to winning when I saw how poor they were.

Poppy can't (easily) carry confirmed.

UHHHHHHHHHHHHH 'SCUSE ME?

Sorry, but I've reached 400+ armor in a game with 4 AD who were the main damage threats (well it was like 398 but once I went below 40% it went to 4something)

You're still right tho :P

Ark SorcererNov 14, 20161 votes

UHHHHHHHHHHHHH 'SCUSE ME?

Sorry. What are you "'scuse me" about? My low mr (in hind sight does seem somewhat low. I can check my match history... I think) or my fail to carry or the enemy being all AP or ... what? I am lost.

Asayake 5150glowNov 14, 20161 votes

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Sorry. What are you "'scuse me" about? My low mr (in hind sight does seem somewhat low. I can check my match history... I think) or my fail to carry or the enemy being all AP or ... what? I am lost.

Low mr :P

Although I guess my 1 damage item was Frozen Fist, giving 60 armor, and I think I did buy one of the two only 100 armor items, Frozen Heart :P