Can we stop pretending mordekaiser is underpowered
Because he's not and he doesn't need buffs
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RexSaur2 votesWe know that, its just 2 or 3 morde mains trying to brainwash ppl into thinking morde is like the worst champion in the game.
doodlebob6661 votesim going to list things that counter morde and he can't work against 
etc. now im going to put 2 champs who do what he does, ie be an ap juggernaut, better 
Dracocrash1 votesmorde is unique in his own way.
thankyou for listing mordes counters, but I never said he was over powered. Every balanced champion has a counter.
doodlebob6661 votesmordes problem is that he has to deal with hard counters, and in tern hard counters people, i understand that everyone has counters but he really can't do anything against these things, he needs a full rework he is not a healthy champ, considering he is one of the few champs intentionally kept weak because of what happens when he is strong,
TheHappyReaperz1 votesMorde may not be under-powered, but that doesn't mean he is functional. And that, is the problem.
RexSaur3 votesMorde may not be under-powered, but that doesn't mean he is functional. And that, is the problem.
If he wasant functional there wouldnt be morde mains in challanger.
Glîtchy1 votesIf he wasant functonal there wouldnt be morde mains in challenger.
As stated, Morde isn't functional in most hands, now if we exclude Garen, Morde is easily one of the weaker juggernauts in the game, as he's giving up HP to use abilities, and a lot of top laners can control his regen (he doesn't have healing abilities like Nasus and Vlad), so just ply like Gnar with Mortal reminder + Black Cleaver or any AD champ for that matter, and then Morde just sits there and cries.
Dracocrash1 votes"he doesnt have healing abilities like nasus and vlad" ??????
Glîtchy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Best Wizfact EUW,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NXT7IX8L,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-14T04:37:03.729+0000)
"he doesnt have healing abilities like nasus and vlad" ??????
Morde doesn't heal as well as Nasus or Vlad, Nasus' 15% LS is boosted by 
and takes his stacks into account for the LS
Vlad has an AP crit heal on every other Q.
Tell me how Morde has sustain that's just as good.
Dracocrash1 votesmorde has a 190 + 30% ap heal on his W.
He can hit minions for a reduced but still relevant heal.
if he hits 5 people he can get a heal of 900 + 150% ap.
VERY relevant and potent.
ALSO just because X champion has Y doesnt mean Z champion has to have it. THat is a bad argument.
NASUS HAS 15% life steal.. lets assume he has 300 stacks and 100 ad... thats a 55 hp heal per Q.
VLAD has a 40 + 35% ap heal.. that can crit under the right conditions..
TheHappyReaperz2 votesConsidering there is a Trynd main, an Annie main, a Pantheon main, etc, that doesn't mean much. That said, who exactly is a Morde main in challenger, and why do you know this?
RexSaur1 votesConsidering there is a Trynd main, an Annie main, a Pantheon main, etc, that doesn't mean much. That said, who exactly is a Morde main in challenger, and why do you know this?
You know you're just proving my point now right?
None of those champs you cited are in a "bad" state, in fact ignite pantheon is one of the best champs to climb solo q as top lane.
The morde main is a friend of mine, unsure if hes at challenger currently or masters but he has been challenger multiple times with just morde.
TheHappyReaperz1 votesYou are proving mine. I'm not saying Morde is bad. I'm saying he isn't healthy. None of these champions are healthy. Tryndamere is the epitome of so many bad things. Pantheon scales worse and worse the longer the game goes on, and is extremely strong in the early game. Annie is one of the few remaining point and click champions, with an ult that has less counter play than Syndra's. Just because people can do well with a champion, doesn't mean its in a good spot. That is what I'm trying to get across to you.
Dracocrash2 votesyou both are proving each others points. Neither of you are saying morde is bad.
Dracocrash1 votesyes but a lot of people seem to be thinking hes under powered ; just clearin up that misconception.
Glîtchy1 votesMorde is the weakest of the juggernauts from what I've seen (I don't count Garen, because everyone knows he sucks ass), you see, he can't stand anything like true damage or % HP, as he uses HP to use abilities.
Dracocrash1 votesum wot?
he has low base HP ; hence %hp damage hits do less to him than regular champs.
and he heals more than he uses
Glîtchy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Best Wizfact EUW,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NXT7IX8L,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-04-14T03:52:21.089+0000)
um wot?
he has low base HP ; hence %hp damage hits do less to him than regular champs.
and he heals more than he uses
Explain how Vayne destroys him within seconds then
Dracocrash1 votesrevamp your argument it has flaws.
How fed is the vayne? How fed is the morde? Doesn't vayne destroy every juggernaut??
Glîtchy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Best Wizfact EUW,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NXT7IX8L,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-14T04:44:39.142+0000)
revamp your argument it has flaws.
How fed is the vayne? How fed is the morde? Doesn't vayne destroy every juggernaut??
Not Nasus, I have never lost to a vayne as Nasus, even when she's more fed than me.
Dracocrash1 votes"You never lost lane to a nasus"
doesnt mean vayne doesnt counter nasus
Rick Yiordan1 votesI don't think that even the morde mains think that he's underpowered/overpowered, he's just so damn buggy and his kit is very clunky.
Riot tried to make him a botlaner but that failed, and when he ults a jhin with 4th bullet and kills him, the ghost jhin keeps the 4th bullet till he dissapears
Dracocrash1 votesyes but many people think hes "underpowered" just clearing up that misconception.
SexyBabyJesusZ1 voteshes a weird champ, he could use a rework tbh he doesnt really make sense at all
Dracocrash1 votesyep.
Mordepool1 votesI don't ask for buffs just compensation. like when all mages overused his core item until it was gutted. Was it a problem item. Yes. Did it need nerfs. Yes. What is wrong to ask for compensation buffs when an already below 50winrate champ dropped by 5% in all Elos. No I don't think so
Dracocrash1 votesbecause any buff to mordekaiser can push him over the edge. He has an unhealthy design and needs to stay in the spot he is.
Let's take fizz for example.. hes strong right now, but for how long? He is a toxic champ and he will get gutted after riot decides he has had his "time in the light".
Now. lets look at janna and ahril; they will ALWAYS be strong because thats how it is.
Mordepool1 votes[{quoted}](name=Best Wizfact EUW,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NXT7IX8L,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2017-04-14T05:29:06.312+0000)
because any buff to mordekaiser can push him over the edge. He has an unhealthy design and needs to stay in the spot he is.
Let's take fizz for example.. hes strong right now, but for how long? He is a toxic champ and he will get gutted after riot decides he has had his "time in the light".
Now. lets look at janna and ahril; they will ALWAYS be strong because thats how it is.
I'd rather have an actual Rework. Not a gimmick
Dracocrash1 votesI agree with you. I am a level 6 mordekaiser. I love his ult, love his W. but his Q feels bad and cluncky to use and his E is just boring. He does need a mini rework.
Karfuss1 votesGunblade makes Mordekaiser, and it's currently a broken item in which without Mordekaiser would die.
Mordekaiser does and will need buffs when Gunblade is nerfed further.
Dracocrash1 votesmordekaiser does not need buffs
Targon1 votesMordekaiser deals a ton of damage but the difficultly that he has most of the time is getting in range to do that damage. He also has low movement speed, no gap closer, and no hard CC. Even if he does get on a target, he's usually pretty easy to peel off or to kite.
Dracocrash1 votesyes ; those are his weaknesses and strenghts. He has too much damage and to balance it, he is easily kited.
Doesn't mean he is underpowered.
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