Why does Jhin need to be able to hold onto his 4th shot so long?

Theorchero·Sep 16, 2016·14 votes·1,223 views

Makes laning against him supremely annoying because he can use it to zone.

24 Comments

CerealBoxOfDoomSep 17, 201610 votes

Because art is not something that can be rushed

TyrekGoldenspearSep 17, 20162 votes

This guy gets it.

CerealBoxOfDoomSep 17, 20163 votes

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ReZisT LustSep 17, 20165 votes

He can hold it but cant farm without q/e so more wasted mana if he doesnt auto also he can hold it indefinitely if he throws traps down or casts a spell lol

NotCounterSep 17, 20165 votes

same with yasuo's 3rd Q

AreSep 17, 20165 votes

Holding onto 4th shot denies him CS because he can't farm unless he uses a skill. W isn't good to CS with early, and it has a long CD. Traps are weak on minions early as well.

Typically, if you don't screw up and go below half HP, it's actually better to try and fight Jhin 2 shots and below because the reload will inevitably come.

CaítlynSep 16, 20163 votes

Why does his ult need to slow people? Why does he even have a snare? Why does his W need 5 million range?

Riot, if you could stop overloading peoples kits, thatd be great.

MaxDarkwillSep 17, 20166 votes

He has litterally little to no escape unless he manages to snare you

But then again I'm someone that builds full crit to move and quite like a maniac

AnonagonSep 17, 20166 votes

I realize that this idea may be somewhat lost in the League of 2016, but...

having a reliable escape is supposed to be the exception, not the rule not having an escape is not a weakness. having an escape is supposed to be part of a champion's major strengths and is something that needs to be balanced around

when a champion's strengths are defined by his ability to do ridiculous damage to any targets at all points in the game, he should have virtually no other strengths

JavelinJoeSep 17, 20165 votes

That has changed where now not having an escape is a weakness and having one is "normal"

THE RlVER KlNGSep 17, 20165 votes

Guy called Caitlyn complains about range.......

paisySep 17, 20162 votes

When he has his fourth shot ready, using anyone of his abilities extends the timer. Maybe they could remove that mechanic.

MissingKayoSep 18, 20162 votes

I mean even if he uses his abilities, he still can't farm for shit without his autos. There's no need to remove that mechanic. He already has to pick between holding onto 4th shot to harass and not CSing, or put another way, CSing and being forced to reload for 2.5 seconds versus holding onto a harass shot.

Jinzo TorranceSep 17, 20162 votes

Garbage thread. Annie stun? TF gold card?

Ops

Daddy AntsSep 17, 20164 votes

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Garbage thread. Annie stun? TF gold card?

Ops

Pretty sure the gold card can't be held forever.

Jinzo TorranceSep 17, 20164 votes

Pretty sure TF can't CS with it, just like Jhin if he's holding his 4th shot for zoning

MissingKayoSep 18, 20162 votes

Because it's like Annie's stun and neither of them can farm for shit while they hold onto it and it's like the only tool they have in lane to harass before they have a significant 'cooldown'? (Annie needs to rebuild up 4 abilities, Jhin needs to reload for 2.5 seconds and autoattack 3 times).

FallenSeruvimSep 18, 20161 votes

Its very easy to use it to zone then simply attack a minion with it and resume farming and zoning, literally every 3 autos you get back to zoning is a bit oppressive.

MissingKayoSep 18, 20162 votes

And then you get harassed by the enemy ADC/support the moment you spend your 4th shot if they know what to do, making you have to retreat. And you're still gated behind a near-completely locked attack speed (only increases with levels) and a static 2.5 second cooldown reload. Also, mana costs in early are quite high meaning you can't use them to farm too much.

And while you're 'zoning' with his fourth auto, it's also you missing CS. So all the enemy laners have to do is just dance outside your range to force you to chase them to hit them or just wait for you to eventually realize not CSing is dumb, so you use it to CS, and then they shoot you and poke you back.

FallenSeruvimSep 18, 20161 votes

The speed increase from the crit allows you to retreat with very little punishment received. Anyone with half a brain is only going to use the 4th shot to back the adc up, its not like LITERALLY the full 8 secs of zoning. There is a reason, outside of nerfing his abilities to complete useless'ness, Jhin is going to remain 100% pick rate in Pro play. The champion is just too good. Reducing the time he can hold the 4th crit wouldn't do much to his laning anyways, only working it up off a jungle creep or lane minion then holding it for team fight.

BatchBustsMetaSep 17, 20161 votes

He was fine until they buffed they hell out the movespeed. Hes a big cannon guy shooting out massive artillery for huge damage. I should be able to out run this mofo!!

Daddy AntsSep 17, 20161 votes

Yasuo's 3rd Q and Annie's Stun also come to mind.