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Pyke has been out for a month. When are you taking off the training wheels?

Frontline Fury·Jul 10, 2018·10 votes·1,670 views

Pyke still has an extremely, extremely low cooldown ult (that often counts down before the reset fades, because its TWENTY SECONDS LONG for some reason on a true damage flat health execute that outranges most artillery mages, resets on kill AND ASSIST and features a massive hit cone along with an in-built blink for pyke) along with a stunning dash three times as wide as pyke himself that can cross terrain and can both serve as initiation and escape tools depending on situation.

Don't you think players have had enough time to get over his learning curve? Isn't it time to take off the training wheels and let the players actually have to work for their success?

It feels like he's been "fixed" into the meta through sheer buffs rather than design. He's not a better choice than other supports for what he can do - he's a better choice than other supports because his base stats are so absurdly high nobody can keep up with him.

What was the point of designing a passive that benefits off of health items when you afterwards buff his scalings to encourage full AD item builds?

Will he ever be adjusted so that he can't actually 100-0 anyone but a 5/0 Darius?

23 Comments

JamareeJul 10, 201810 votes

He isn't even that good though, and no, he isn't a better choice then other supports. He provides no actual supporting utility besides setting up kills, if you are behind, or being pushed to tower, there is nothing he can do to help alleviate pressure, as for his damage, well, he is an assassin...so yeah.

BlueBilberryJul 10, 20181 votes

Actually he is not that bad - but yes you are right, he is kind of in the Lux boat (i.e., yes you can pick him, but there are champs which do the same thing but better).

As for utility, I would disagree. Pyke is (and I suspect will be) once the dust settles a CC support. (Then again, given Riot's track record creating CC supports in game, I wouldn't be holding my breath. For instance, Syndra and Oriana ended up in other lanes - with Braum and Nautilus being the few that still remain commonly played as supports.)

First, Pyke's E is a pretty decent AOE cc - especially if you combine it with items that also provides slows such as item 3025 or item 3022 ). Second, the Q (skewer) slows for one second - which is at 90% (one of the highest in the game especially at lower levels). Third, the W is quite useful for safe warding, setting up ganks and getting out of lane when things go really bad. Plus, think of the W paired with a duskblade item 3147 basically gives you a support that can do a double sweeping job.

So, if Riot handles things carefully, then he could be a viable support under the right circumstances.

JamareeJul 10, 20182 votes

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Actually he is not that bad - but yes you are right, he is kind of in the Lux boat (i.e., yes you can pick him, but there are champs which do the

Even Lux can at least provide a shield when it comes to supporting.

As for utility, I would disagree. Pyke is (and I suspect will be) once the dust settles a CC support. (Then again, given Riot's track record creating CC supports in game, I wouldn't be holding my breath. For instance, Syndra and Oriana ended up in other lanes - with Braum and Nautilus being the few that still remain commonly played as supports.)

Yeah, but it isn't what I would call reliable or save is the problem. With a CC support like Rakan, you have the option to go in with your CC then get out with your shielding dash. With Pyke, when you are in there, you are really in there. If you use your camo to get in, you deny yourself a safe option to get out once you go for the stun.

First, Pyke's E is a pretty decent AOE cc - especially if you combine it with items that also provides slows such as or ). Second, the Q (skewer) slows for one second - which is at 90% (one of the highest in the game especially at lower levels). Third, the W is quite useful for safe warding, setting up ganks and getting out of lane when things go really bad. Plus, think of the W paired with a duskblade basically gives you a support that can do a double sweeping job.

So, if Riot handles things carefully, then he could be a viable support under the right circumstances.

I'm not saying he is bad persay, I just don't think he can even slightly be considered a top tier support. He has his tools in his kit to snowball the lane, he is a win more support though rather then turn the lane support. He has the tools in his kit to be strong, but when you are so blinded by his damage and what he can do and take a step back, you can see the flaws that he does have in his kit.

Dorans PantsJul 10, 20184 votes

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He isn't even that good though, and no, he isn't a better choice then other supports. He provides no actual supporting utility besides setting up kills, if you are behind, or being pushed to tower, there is nothing he can do to help alleviate pressure, as for his damage, well, he is an assassin...so yeah.

Pyke oh no! my adc is in danger. (charges q) somehow hits a Leona

"an ally has been slain"

Ashe -.- Pyke i am deeply sorry

JamareeJul 10, 20183 votes

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oh no! my adc is in danger. (charges q) somehow hits a

"an ally has been slain"

-.- i am deeply sorry

Basically.

AmWhaleIRLJul 10, 20181 votes

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oh no! my adc is in danger. (charges q) somehow hits a

"an ally has been slain"

-.- i am deeply sorry

I am guilty of this lmao

saltranJul 10, 20187 votes

He doesn't need nerfs

webstar1995Jul 10, 20182 votes

Agreed.

Dope SoloJul 10, 20184 votes

OP.gg has him at tier 2 in the support role, which isn't bad for on release. As there are only 5 supports listed above him at this time, he's probably a little overtuned for fresh skin sales.

Frontline FuryJul 10, 20181 votes

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OP.gg has him at tier 2 in the support role, which isn't bad for on release. As there are only 5 supports listed above him at this time, he's probably a little overtuned for fresh skin sales.

Personally, i think there is a problem when a BRAND NEW CHAMPION executes its way right into the extreme top tiers of 28 (TWENTY EIGHT) champions considered supports. That points to him being absurdly overtuned as he is beating champions players have had YEARS of practice on.

Dope SoloJul 11, 20181 votes

That is a really good point imo.

AmWhaleIRLJul 10, 20184 votes

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Pyke still has an extremely, extremely low cooldown ult (that often counts down before the reset fades, because its TWENTY SECONDS LONG.

Are we playing the same champion?? His Ult cooldown is 120/100/80 lmao Like I get you're pretty salty about the champ but if you wanna be taken seriously you should try to be at least slightly accurate lol.

BlueBilberryJul 10, 20183 votes

Actually if the training wheels are truly taken off, then look forward to him being much squishier in lane. He was much squishier on the PBE during testing - which hints that his baseline stats (post-release) could be much, much weaker.

OleandervineJul 10, 20182 votes

Pyke's ultimate does physical damage, not True Damage. It can be mitigated by armor, even if you're technically at the HP execute threshold, but it will bypass all shielding. Please don't spread false information.

webstar1995Jul 10, 20185 votes

No. If you are at the HP you die. Shields don't even matter. "Pyke strikes in an X-shaped area, executing enemies below 200 - 605 (based on level) (+ 80% bonus AD) health while dealing the same amount as physical damage to enemies not within the threshold for execution." It only deals physical damage if the champ is not at the threshold.

OleandervineJul 10, 20181 votes

I've read nothing that states it deals true damage. All of the resources I've found mention nothing about true damage.

webstar1995Jul 10, 20184 votes

THAT IS LITERALLY COPY PASTE OF THE ABILITY! "executing enemies below 200 - 605 (based on level)" Do you know what execute means?!!!!! It means KILL! That does not need a damage tag.

DearPearJul 10, 20184 votes

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Pyke's ultimate does physical damage, not True Damage. It can be mitigated by armor, even if you're technically at the HP execute threshold.

Wrong.

Please don't spread false information.

webstar1995Jul 10, 20182 votes

He cannot read correctly and he's in NA. English second language maybe?

Daddy AntsJul 10, 20182 votes

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Pyke's ultimate does physical damage, not True Damage. It can be mitigated by armor, even if you're technically at the HP execute threshold, but it will bypass all shielding. Please don't spread false information.

?????????

It's a True Damage execute that ignores Shields.

IF the target is not executed by it then it deals Physical Damage.

RISE Shlack123Jul 10, 20182 votes

Nope...

It's an insta-kill. Even through shields. That's what "execute" means.

Colgate GatorJul 10, 20181 votes

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Pyke's ultimate does physical damage, not True Damage. It can be mitigated by armor, even if you're technically at the HP execute threshold, but it will bypass all shielding. Please don't spread false information.

If you use it as a normal damaging ability then it can be mitigated by armor, but I'm 99.99% sure it cannot be done so if you're under the tresshold for execution.

Frontline FuryJul 10, 20181 votes

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Pyke's ultimate does physical damage, not True Damage. It can be mitigated by armor, even if you're technically at the HP execute threshold, but it will bypass all shielding. Please don't spread false information.

That's very odd, because it shows up as true damage in the death recap. Of course, the main issue with it is not the damage or damage type at all - its that he has a constant indicator of when he can ult to guarantee a kill, making him extremely easy to play compared to all other execute champions in the game.

He should've had an indicator like Chogath's - one that only reveals itself once the target is actually below the threshold.

On a side note, his stealth sound effect when you are below the threshold is WAY too loud - especially since it procs even when his ult is down.

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