Late game Vayne one shots me in 3 autos but I can't QWEQ oneshot her as Ryze

NodirjonSattarov··1 votes·1,674 views

We are both full build and I have full penetration but I still can't one shot her. If I can't kill her in a single rotation without dashes, blinks, lethality, random buffs, whatever then it's not balanced. I'm tired of playing this champion because I am really trying to make him work. I am TRYING to listen to what Riot tells me and work with my team and execute combos perfectly.

When they reworked Ryze they slowed his combination down drastically. I'm sure everyone knows that before Ryze could almost infinitely combo if he had enough mana and CDR. Now, even if you QEQWQEQ there is about a 2s gap between the last EQ and the next EQ. This is such a pain in the ass when dueling because I'm basically walking around waiting for my spells to go off CD. So, instead of a DPS Ryze, Ryze has gone down the burst route building AAS, Morello, Rab, etc., in hopes of being able to eliminate the enemy faster. But if I can't even build glass cannon and one shot a squishy, then what is the point? I literally can't go the sustain/dps route because Ryze gets out dueled in most scenarios in terms of not being able to sustain off initial bursts or not being able to drain tank (like he used to). All his abilities (besides W) are telegraphed meaning that when I E flux, and X champion is fluxed then they know I am going to Q or W them. They've reduced his damage so much that even when people are fluxed, they wont die in a single rotation (in MOST cases).

They've dumbed this champion down, nerfed him incessantly, and removed the aspect that made him fun. I really hope change occurs soon.

31 Comments

PrismalDawn16 votes

Well if she hit you 3 times it wasnt a one shot

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Jamaree9 votes

You had no defenses, she did, why would you one shot her? She was also 22 kills to your 6 so like....yeeeeeah?

NodirjonSattarov2 votes

if you read in the post, Ryze isn't in a position to build defenses. he has to build damage to be relevant

Jamaree7 votes

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if you read in the post, Ryze isn't in a position to build defenses. he has to build damage to be relevant

Zhonya?

NodirjonSattarov2 votes

I don't think it's a good item. On some champions like Ekko, Fizz, LB it makes sense because it gives them CDR and 2 seconds to wait on their blink/dash ability but on Ryze it's bad (especially after Zhonyas + R nerf) because you don't want to be stasis. If I Zhonyas, they know my next move is telegraphed if I don't have flash. Champions with mobility are more flexible with their movement to avoid the next attack.

Jamaree3 votes

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I don't think it's a good item. On some champions like Ekko, Fizz, LB it makes sense because it gives them CDR and 2 seconds to wait on their blink/dash ability but on Ryze it's bad (especially after Zhonyas + R nerf) because you don't want to be stasis. If I Zhonyas, they know my next move is telegraphed if I don't have flash. Champions with mobility are more flexible with their movement to avoid the next attack.

No, it's still an amazing item, CDR, armor, and even on non mobile champions, getting to waste times, avoid big damage and CC, and in the case of Vayne, time to wait out her ultimate are all good.

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

Her ultimate lasts 8-12 seconds MINIMUM. How would Zhonyas help me wait it out

Poske1 votes

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if you read in the post, Ryze isn't in a position to build defenses. he has to build damage to be relevant

Ryze is one of the few mages who can actually build defense

Just make sure you get voidstaff

Dr Dog5 votes

she had mr and dmg reduction from her PD along with her 22 kills and full build, even then she woulda died if you used your q w q e q combo instead of leaving one q out

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

QWQEQ takes too long and it gives Vayne probably 1 or 2 opportunities to use her Q and go invisible. After the most recent patch it is impossible to track where she's going to go. Her damage was buffed sometime in S8 and now that she goes invisible more frequently she's always in a position to out trade. Her abuse of rageblade makes it even worse since she gets her W off 2 procs and drain tanks faster with BoRK.

Syrile3 votes

I am a pretty big advocate of Ryze to be honest. I like the champion. However, based on those items, you had zero right to be able to beat her. 6 items vs 4.5ish? What were you building next? She should have destroyed you based on those items.

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

She did destroy me but in 3 autos? How is that remotely fair? She can tumble every second during her ult which cancels my E and W cast but allows the initial animation to begin and auto me 3 times. If Ryze was able to walk up and QEQ and one shot someone the boards would be screaming. Vayne is straight busted but people seem to be okay with it, cool.

Syrile1 votes

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She did destroy me but in 3 autos? How is that remotely fair? She can tumble every second during her ult which cancels my E and W cast but allows the initial animation to begin and auto me 3 times. If Ryze was able to walk up and QEQ and one shot someone the boards would be screaming. Vayne is straight busted but people seem to be okay with it, cool.

I am not a fan of the obvious difference in treatment between AD and AP. However, I think it is more like certain people on the forums rather than all. However, she was very, very ahead of you. I do not know about 3 autos but you really had no business fighting her.

HàrrowR2 votes

Ugh i hate the arrogance of some players, "my champ didn't pwn X champ so X champ is clearly busted"

And not to mention how annoying is for people to whine when they can't 1v1 or pop an ADC, especially Vayne lol , she's one of the best 1v1 champs in the game, and now the arrogance goes even fruther, you're 25 000 gold behind her, she's 16 damn kills ahead of you, has item 3139 probably to specifically counter you, + item 3046 item 3046 not to mention you didn't build any defenses like item 3157 item 3027 plus not to mention that there's no video proof of you even landing those spells in the first place, for all we know you landed EWQ only.

In what universe do you believe you should have won that 1v1 while 25000 gold behind?? Holy cow, this game isn't rock paper scissors, you don't get to auto win if you pick a certain champ, even though it feels that way sometimes, a support should 1v1 you if they are so good that they dodge literally every spell you throw at them, nevermind if they are literally 25 000 gold ahead of you.

And one more thing, its pretty simple to understand but a lot of players don't even think about it, damage doesn't make you harder to kill , you may kill people faster than they kill you, but if you have 0 defensive items expect to die in a single rotation from most mages/assassins, in a single CC or in 4-5 autos from a fed ADC.

NahDaddy1 votes

Partially related question, why not use QWQEQ instead of just QWEQ?

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

QWQEQ isn't fast enough especially vs Vayne that disappears every 2 seconds. I would have missed a few Q's if I opted that route. QWEQ nukes + gives me a shield in case I can't one shot (which is every case).

NahDaddy1 votes

Alrighty, thank you! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

NodirjonSattarov2 votes

No problem! Additionally, the long combo is QEQWQEQ but it costs so much mana and it hard to land every single Q that it isn't worth executing.

NahDaddy1 votes

That would probably only be consistently executable in late game or with high/max CDR though, yeah?

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

Technically, that combo doesn't require that much CDR for it to flow nicely. Since Q resets off of W and E, you can leave a time gap using QWQ to wait for E to get off CD. So, essentially when you QEQ your E is on a 3s CD but when you casts WQ it bridges the time gap for E to come off CD again.

NahDaddy2 votes

I hadn't thought about that. Thanks again!

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

no problem friend :))

The Ecdysiast2 votes

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Partially related question, why not use QWQEQ instead of just QWEQ?

Tfw name is Ryze and doesn't even know his combos.

NahDaddy2 votes

He made a very solid point as to why he used the shortened version, be friendly [slayer-jinx-wink]

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

I literally explained in my post why I can't do extensive combos.

saltran1 votes

I'm sorry but I've seen enough pro play the last years to never feel bad for soloQ Ryze players, if you want to play the strongest champs in coordinated play expect them to be bad on soloQ, same goes for Kalista or Azir players.

On My Kill List1 votes

ryze went from a dps mage to a burst mage to a dps mage to burst mage. riot simply has no idea what they want him to be.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

3 autos isn't a one shot.

KFCeytron1 votes

You do know that an ADC with a normal steroid instead of a 3-hit steroid would've killed you even faster, right? For example, Trist with Hail of Blades and Q.

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

And that's okay?

KFCeytron1 votes

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And that's okay?

You seemed to be complaining about Vayne in particular ("Vayne is straight busted but people seem to be okay with it, cool") when she's actually the least busted ADC in terms of burst, because she needs to attack the same target three times for her steroid to do anything, and when it does it will deal at most 14% of your max health, precisely, every time. Shields like Ryze's are actually one of the most effective ways to deal with Silver Bolts, too, because the shield value increases your effective health without changing your actual health (which Silver Bolts would compensate for) or relying on resistances or damage reduction (which Silver Bolts would ignore).

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