Hybrid Penetration Item Needed (Ideas)

ofart·Dec 16, 2014·2 votes·826 views

I know Hybrid builds are mocked and considered subpar but it doesn't have to be this way. They are weak only because there's no dual penetration item. Why not introduce a dual penetration item and give hybrid champions more flexibility in their builds?

The numbers can be tweaked as appropriate but it's clear it can't compare to the penetration of VS or LW for any particular stat. Perhaps it could be 15% Mpen, 15% Arpen as well as some other random stats like 30 AD and 30 AP. Another option to reduce its late game strength can be to just provide flat values like 20 Mpen, 20 Arpen, and again a few other stats.

9 Comments

Kuroi86Dec 16, 20142 votes

Because Hybrid builds are pretty ridiculous and while gimmicky, can be stupidly strong. It's hard enough to build against hybrid damage, adding a hybrid pen item would require one or two hybrid defensive items to be built which would be a massive buff to tanks/bruisers.

ofartDec 16, 20141 votes

I agree that hybrid damage is a bit harder to itemize for but you don't need a "hybrid defense item". You just need to balance out resistances. For example, you can buy Randuin's and BV.

I don't see a theoretical problem with the idea of having such an item. Numbers can always be worked out for one. Keep in mind that even if it had a decent amount of dual penetration, no hybrid champ is exactly in the middle in terms of damage hybridization and would thus not benefit equally from both.

ABlueQuakerDec 16, 20141 votes

Sometimes I get Trinity Force, Gunblade, Void Staff and LW on Miss Fortune when I'm versing trash.

On topic though, Hybrid pen would be dumb considering it's already hard enough to itemize against mixed damage comps and champions.

SasogwaDec 16, 20141 votes

Problem of hybrid builds is it sucks in lategame, when you see all the advantages, multipliers of a pure AD build/ AP build (pene, %ap, %crit, as).

ofartDec 16, 20141 votes

Yes, that's why they're not really viable. This item could bring hybrid builds closer to viability.

Teridax68Dec 16, 20141 votes

Okay, so first off, any idea for a penetration item might risk becoming obsolete extremely quickly, considering how the current system's problems are really starting to show and Riot's already discussing another potential overhaul. The other issue is that dedicated hybrid items are a thing the game's been trying to move away from, not towards: they're unnecessarily niche (they don't even cater well to all hybrids, who are only a handful themselves), usually overloaded with stats to compensate for their lack of overall efficiency (as is the case for item 3146 and item 3124 ), and restrictive in that they force hybrid builds, whereas full AP or AD hybrid items technically still allow for hybrid builds if you buy items of the opposing type.

The bigger and core issue with hybrid builds, though, in my opinion, is that they're just not that good in terms of gameplay. When you have a champion capable of being built full AD or full AP, that means (in theory, at least) that they have two different playstyles: AP Ezreal is bursty and high-risk, for example, whereas AD Ezreal is super-pokey and DPS-focused. Specializing in one stat or the other (AD or AP) means you also specialize into that build's strengths and weaknesses, so that you end up with a champion with a unique and clearly-defined playstyle. Going hybrid, however, puts you in the middle of the scale: you don't have that much of either build's strengths, but you also don't have either's weaknesses in strong amounts, so you end up being a jack-of-all-trades who isn't really the best at anything your champion does, but who also can't really be dealt with as effectively (counter-building tends to be overly difficult, for example). If going hybrid created a new playstyle of its own, maybe that would justify dedicated items, but I don't think that's really the case.

EffectFXDec 16, 20141 votes

No. Hybrid penetration is still an awful idea.

ofartDec 16, 20141 votes

Great elaboration....

HugmeharderNov 6, 20161 votes

So u guys say that Hybrid Penetration which gives a bit of magic penetration along with armour sucks more than just greater mark of magic penetration.