So, Graves, like......what?

God Raijin · 2016-03-13T03:50:57.118Z

He's pretty strong.....Lets take a look at him: Ranged Mobile/has Escape Tanky Burst DPS Ranged AOE abilities and AOE auto attack Blind and Slow I am kind of confused why he didn't get nerfed this patch. (At the time I'm posting this, He has no planned nerfs on the pbe.) also he has the highest win rate of any bot lane ADC. Tell me why a class of champion (marksmen) gets an ability that gives up to 120 Armor and MR ? Hes literally on par with RAMMUS. It really seems like he has very few weaknesses and many strengths. (in b4 hes outranged by other adc's, because according to his winrate and amount of high-elo play, that doesn't matter very much.) Thoughts?

God Raijin·Mar 13, 2016·4 votes·694 views

He's pretty strong.....Lets take a look at him:

Ranged
Mobile/has Escape
Tanky
Burst
DPS
Ranged AOE abilities and AOE auto attack
Blind and Slow I am kind of confused why he didn't get nerfed this patch. (At the time I'm posting this, He has no planned nerfs on the pbe.) also he has the highest win rate of any bot lane ADC. Tell me why a class of champion (marksmen) gets an ability that gives up to 120 Armor and MR ? Hes literally on par with RAMMUS. It really seems like he has very few weaknesses and many strengths. (in b4 hes outranged by other adc's, because according to his winrate and amount of high-elo play, that doesn't matter very much.)

Thoughts?

7 Comments

DarfallerMar 13, 20163 votes

I hate the simple fact he gets all that tankiness.

When i saw that he gets free 120 armor and mr from auto attacks, which is more thank stats than 2 tank items, I was like wtf is with the balancing team. If you wanted graves jg to work, the minion knock back alreaqdy makes it work, but this stupid tank steroid is pointless, remove it and let this cigarless idiot learn how to be a true adc and not a free tank heavy damage bruiser.

darkmatchwaldoMar 13, 20161 votes

You do know that it's basically impossible to stack his E up that high right? He sounds OP in practice, in reality he gives up the huge dps that Jinx Sivir Vayne get in exchange for burst and short range dueling power. Why should he have to be a "true adc" what's wrong with being a short ranged burst adc? The tank steroid makes it so he doesn't INSTANTLY DIE any time he tries to do anything at all.

Hell you can build item 3006 item 3153 item 3085 item 3053 item 3156 item 3072 on Kalista and be just as hard if not HARDER to kill than Graves .

God RaijinMar 13, 20161 votes

"He sounds OP in practice" No, no...he actually is OP....ACTUALLY! (look at win rate as well as high elo play.) But to address him not doing as much damage as Vayne late game, that's the thing, damage-wise he is strongest mid-game. he can/should be picked for a strong mid game like Corki that's just how most champions work, they give up being strong at one point in the game to be stronger in another.....On that note, Just sticking on all of these free tank stats late game is just like putting on a band-aid for when his damage falls off a little bit. (Now that my damage has fallen off a little, I'll just get really tanky and still deal decent damage!). Basically making him strong in one way or another at ALL stages of the game. (no trade off) FYI using E once (30 armor/Mr) gives 1140 Gold worth of tank stats .(2x cloth armor + 1.2x null-magic mantle) using it even twice is a GA /Rot portal worth of armor and MR. four stacks is 4560 free gold in stats on top of his 6 item build.

Variks the LoyalMar 13, 20162 votes

Graves has the tank steroid because he's got _extremely _ short range for an ADC.

That said, his burst needs toning down, but the idea is that you treat him like you would treat a Fighter. Kite him, outside of his max range. He's the 'anti-melee' ADC.

Mr Broken WingsMar 13, 20163 votes

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Graves has the tank steroid because he's got _extremely _ short range for an ADC.

That said, his burst needs toning down, but the idea is that you treat him like you would treat a Fighter. Kite him, outside of his max range. He's the 'anti-melee' ADC.

you mean anti melee like quinn or kalista? Why do we need another anti melee who can lane in a mid or top or jungle as well and be aids? He is just antimelee because he is broken as fuck.

God RaijinMar 13, 20162 votes

Yeah, I mean, his range is pretty short, but the fact that his high damage abilities cover that weakness makes him not impacted too much by it. If his Q+R couldn't one-shot people when he's ahead he would feel that weakness more I suppose. But honestly, I think the real problem is just that his numbers on his tankiness are WAY too high, something more like 80 armor/MR max would feel more fair. Nerfing his damage would just mean he doesn't do his primary job well imo.

God RaijinMar 13, 20162 votes

One other thought, he is basically everything good about many classes of champions rolled up into one Hes basically an Assassin, Tank, Marksman, AD Caster and is pretty damn good at being all 4 of them in one.