Over 2000 AP?!?!

Elite4Runner·Apr 28, 2016·2 votes·1,709 views

So I really like the new mechanic for stacking AP. I think it will make him feel a lot stronger.

As always buying will be core on him. The +35% AP will only make him scale harder.

I think a very underrated item for supports to build in combination with AP champions is . Adding an additional +20% AP while active.

NOW I'm hearing that the Blue Buff will give an additional +15% AP!!!

35% + 20% + 15% = 70%

Now to get something like 2000 AP, you would have to have over 1176 base AP, ... which is a lot, but is definitely possible with Veigar.

I don't know if this blue buff change will make it to live servers, but if it does, ... am I the only one who thinks this sounds a little crazy?

Edit, it was brought to my attention that third stack on fire dragon gives 24% AP as well.

So now we have a bonus of +94% AP

1030 base AP +35% +20% Active +15% Blue +24% 3x Fire Dragon = 2000 AP

Game Over

25 Comments

CrettApr 28, 20163 votes

Fire Drag buff adds up to 24% AP

Elite4RunnerApr 28, 20161 votes

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Fire Drag buff adds up to 24% AP

http://i.imgur.com/7M6qXP0.jpg

WinBoatApr 28, 20162 votes

Veigar has always been strong. Now he's practically a Nasus 2.0 reloaded to destroy with every ability. I think Redmercy said he had an extra 200 AP by the 20 minute mark with Veigar. So yeah, Veigar definetely going to be an lcs champion again like he was season 5, and at worlds.

I think all and all, I still rather face a Veigar than a Malzahar.

RespectPlusApr 28, 20161 votes

At least Veigar will no longer one shot APs by pressing R

WinBoatApr 28, 20161 votes

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At least Veigar will no longer one shot APs by pressing R

It's an executable now, but even then with enough AP, he will 1 shot squishies, especially adc's.

Elite4RunnerApr 28, 20161 votes

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At least Veigar will no longer one shot APs by pressing R

No, he'll just one shot everyone

CrettApr 28, 20161 votes

As It Should Be

RespectPlusApr 28, 20161 votes

Against a full health target his new ult deals only 325 + 0.75 AP, at rank 3 Unless youre super fed will be impossible one shot someone before 50min mark

Elite4RunnerApr 28, 20161 votes

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Against a full health target his new ult deals only 325 + 0.75 AP, at rank 3 Unless youre super fed will be impossible one shot someone before 50min mark

When you are easily pushing 1000 AP, 0.75 = 750 damage. So 1075 damage.

Sure that isn't a 1 shot, .. but wait. If you land a single Q and that's about 900 damage, and your W does about 1400 damage, ...

So no, you can't 1 shot anyone with a single ability, but after either Q or W, or maybe even both would be needed for tanks, you're very close if not already within execute range with your ultimate.

Elite4RunnerApr 28, 20161 votes

If you don't believe me, Anklespankin did a video on the PBE.

over 1K AP at 25 minutes into the video, with just Rabadon's and Blue. Throw in Zeke's and a fire dragon or two and one-shots looks a bit more possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adf36mrQdcw

RespectPlusApr 28, 20161 votes

I think will be multiplicative, something around 47%, not 70%

notice me Sin piApr 28, 20161 votes

if they are multiplicative, then it would give 86.3% bonus AP

RespectPlusApr 28, 20161 votes

Wat

Angry MonsterApr 28, 20161 votes

you did your math the wrong direction.

notice me Sin piApr 28, 20161 votes

show me the correct math plz?? if (1.35 x 1.2 x 1.15) - 1 is not the correct math

Angry MonsterApr 28, 20161 votes

1 - ( 1 - .35) * (1 - .2) * (1 - .15) = 55.8%

i had to get a friend to give me the answer.

Elite4RunnerApr 28, 20162 votes

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1 - ( 1 - .35) * (1 - .2) * (1 - .15) = 55.8%

i had to get a friend to give me the answer.

It actually took me a long time to figure out what your math was even solving for. 55.8% is the amount of AP you would have before the additional AP is granted vs the amount of AP you would have after. The amount of AP you would have in total is still 70% greater than the amount you receive from items runes masteries, abilities, buffs, and other factors aside from this +XX% AP bonus we are talying about (or I guess we are coining this you're "base AP" ... which still isn't a thing)

notice me Sin piApr 28, 20161 votes

so with blue + rabadon + zekes, it's bonus 58%. according to how u got the answer: without anything, it's 1 x (1 - 0) x (1 - 0) x (1 - 0) = 100%. with only rabadon, it's 1 x (1 - 0.35) = 65%.

Your math is clearly flawed, even by common sense

MunchCrunchLunchApr 28, 20161 votes

I don't know but it could be more than additive. by that I mean either rabadons or dragon buffs increase both the base AP you have and the Passive ap you get from either of those. who knows for now

Elite4RunnerApr 28, 20161 votes

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I don't know but it could be more than additive. by that I mean either rabadons or dragon buffs increase both the base AP you have and the Passive ap you get from either of those. who knows for now

There is no such thing as base AP. You only have one number for AP because all of the AP that you get comes from runes, masteries, items, abilities and buffs. There are no champions who gain AP as base stats, .. currently.

MunchCrunchLunchApr 28, 20161 votes

what I meany by base AP is the number ap you get from items. dumb fuck am not an idiot

Elite4RunnerApr 28, 20161 votes

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what I meany by base AP is the number ap you get from items. dumb fuck am not an idiot

I'm sorry, maybe my response was a bit blunt. I do know what you mean when you say 'base AP', but I figured you were referring to that in the same way that BASE AD is a statistic. I now understand that you know this, but there are no abilities that interact solely with your AP before it is multiplied by 1.x, where x is the total of the bonuses mentioned in this post (for example Rabadon's is 1.35), so there is no use for the term otherwise. Even those effects are only as a result of unique item effects and buffs, so your overall AP stat is only one number.