That is literally all you have to do to make all marksmen except potentially Graves not buy it. Make it have the passive based on a stat that marksmen do not tend to get much of.
feryvunny17 votesWait am i missing something o.o is marksmen buying steraks a problem?
Irelia Bot20 votesWhen it has good base stats marksmen have bought it since it is a rally good anti-burst item.
feryvunny6 votesI'm no adc main but I just always assumed it was there to give them some counterplay options.
Either way, as someone who loves playing assassins I wouldn't mind if Riot made it a bit easier for me to pop ADCs lol
Critmaster Garen29 votesI'm no adc main but I just always assumed it was there to give them some counterplay options.
Either way, as someone who loves playing assassins I wouldn't mind if Riot made it a bit easier for me to pop ADCs lol
its not an adc item. it was designed as a core item for juggernauts and other slow melee bruisers, to survive burst damage in teamfights.
thats why it scales off base ad, which is higher on melee bruisers than adc, and has a health scaling shield passive.
they dont have the mobility or range to dodge or stay out of things like a kennen ult, or a miss fortune ult. their only way to be able to do their job (get into the middle of the enemy team) and not be blown up is when they can live through aoe burst abilities.
around the marksmen update, bruiser assassins and adc abused the item together with maw for themselves to negate magic burst when caught out.
they nerfed the item as a response.
feryvunny1 votesAh I see. Thanks for the clarification.
To be honest though, I doubt Riot will do anything substantial about it. They do love their "diversity". And ADCs building a steraks would surely count toward that.
Ralanr6 votesBut tanks and bruiser builds can barely function off of anything else because they rely on their stats to keep them alive rather than things like mobility.
The diversity support makes them suffer while the "diverse" champions barely even build those items anymore.
Big Lincoln11 votesanother solution here to prevent ADC abuse
(Melee Only)
Irelia Bot7 votesThis is a work around since Riot does not like to make melee only for some reason.
DarkRitual10 votesIt's only really a core item on Melees, so it would make sense to make it melee only to keep it's stats to where they actually still want it often.
JedenVojak1 votes[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NJ2JRJMQ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-11-16T05:53:15.026+0000)
This is a work around since Riot does not like to make melee only for some reason.
Why is it a problem for adc's to have this?
How is this somehow worse than 
Hyrum Graff1 votesWhy is it a problem for adc's to have this?
How is this somehow worse than
You can continue doing damage and repositioning during it.
JedenVojak1 votesBut the extra armor and MR significantly increase an adc's ability to withstand damage before dying.
Hyrum Graff1 votesBut the extra armor and MR significantly increase an adc's ability to withstand damage before dying.
True. Although GA doesn't also give you offensive stats.
JedenVojak1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hyrum Graff,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NJ2JRJMQ,comment-id=000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-17T16:33:47.845+0000)
True. Although GA doesn't also give you offensive stats.
You mean the roughly 15 ad that is 25% of a marksmans base ad?
TBH I'd probably still prefer the GA.
Depárt1 votesYou also aren't guaranteed a chance to live with it.
Hyrum Graff1 votesYou also aren't guaranteed a chance to live with it.
Nor are you with GA, to be fair. If your team is retreating, for example, you're just going to get gibbed the second you come out of stasis.
Spârky2 votesFor real I'm an adc main and i find myself never building steraks. I haven't seen an ad build steraks in a long time. Imo i think steraks should be for physical burst or anything that maw can't cover. Just so long as they can't stack them both (which they cant) i think that this is fine
Ravenous Howls3 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NJ2JRJMQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-11-16T05:48:03.841+0000)
another solution here to prevent ADC abuse
(Melee Only)
YES PLEASE!!! I've been asking for this on black cleaver and IBG too. Make them melee only and boom no more marksman tanks.
EcchiOtakuTM2 votesNo to black cleaver, stop the violence on urgot!
Tbh urgot should a melee unit already.....
Ravenous Howls2 votesNo to black cleaver, stop the violence on urgot!
Tbh urgot should a melee unit already.....
LOL! Sorry I didn't realize Urgot was a real champion... BAHAHAHAHA!!!!
EcchiOtakuTM2 votesAYOOOOOO LMFAO busted with laughter so rude lol. Urgot's third nipple needs luvin too xD
Ravenous Howls2 votesAYOOOOOO LMFAO busted with laughter so rude lol. Urgot's third nipple needs luvin too xD
;) Well hey my main champ Nasus has basically been irrelevant since his nerfs in Season 3. Then the Riot gods decided to give him a buff and it's been champagne and dancing girls ever since! I believe the Urgod is slated for a full VGU though so his time of broken OP is coming my friend!
Lovelle2 votesI still think Cleaver's recipe should be changed back to 
+ 
.
I'll never understand why they changed it. No bruiser in the game wants 
, especially early on.
EcchiOtakuTM2 votesI gotta say, I was about to be upset cause I forgot that hp item had cdr on it.
Was bout to be like "wtf mah cdr". Glad I remember what item it was xD
(Usually I buy the mr cape then go visage so I really forgot that item lol)
And I agree.
Lovelle1 votes is one of my favorite items in the game. I was honestly crushed when they removed it from the recipe. I liked having the option of rushing it, then going BC or SV depending on the situation (or just leaving it altogether and building an armor item). Now it seems like bruisers have to sacrifice early durability to finish Cleaver, which seems counter-intuitive, especially with the ranged vs melee problem right now.
Spârky1 votesThe problem with making things melee only is it limits what you can experiment with ranged marksmen. For example your black cleaver making it melee only would destroy graves seeing as its one of his core items. This would also gut kindred i know kindred sucks right now but she has an ok winrate building frozen mallet then black cleaver.
Depárt3 votesAdc hasn't abused it since it was made to actually not be overtuned???
WiegrafOfValor7 votes*Better stats..
+25% base AD >> +50% base AD
: YES, DO IT!!
Garlic Butter4 votesAside from graves and Quinn, Marksmen give up a huge majority of their damage to buy this (over say, Maw, GA or QSS which are substantially better buys per gold if you don't have 100+ base AD or aren't stacking health) it is great vs physical burst (dead dps is no dps) vs adc dash casters though, but frozen mallet would give you better stats and team utility after factoring the shield, Its synergy with Trinity force champions is ludicrous I am not sure why EZ, Corki, GP, Urgot don't buy it mandatory though.
Voluug131 votesThanks is because it was gutted to not be efficient, the problem is that it was nerfed to be inefficient on everyone.
Instead of making it (Melee Only) or giving it actual, real changes that arent ''nerf it until adcs abuse other item''.
Depárt2 votesWhy would it be made melee only? It wasn't intended to be fighter only, it was only made to be more effective of a buy on them.
If you want steraks to be melee only, then GA should be ranged only.
HateDaddy4 votesI really don't even consider graves an ADC anymore
Ravenous Howls5 votesI really don't even consider graves an ADC anymore
That is whole other can of Armageddon for a separate post.
Depárt2 votesYou do realize marksman building steraks as a defensive item hasn't been a problem since it was nerfed and made to not stack with maw right?
I think you're quite a few patches behind, around half a season.
Irelia Bot2 votesI am saying that so long as there is a threat of them buying it again the item can not be buffed to have better base stats.
Depárt1 votesIt doesn't need better stats, it's fine where it's at.
The only thing I can see as a reasonable buff besides a price reduction (which it is already about to get) would be to increase the shield amount, but have it reduced for ranged champions to where it stays the same as where it is now.
Irelia Bot1 votesAnd this is doing that in a way that does not require making it melee only by using stats the melee tend to get far more often then ranged.
Depárt1 votesYes that is the point of the idea, it would be unhealthy to remove it as a defensive option for ranged AD champions.
Irelia Bot1 votesThis is a suggestion for making it less attractive to most ranged and your suggestion is also making it less attractive to most ranged so I fail to see what your issue is.
Depárt1 votesI am providing a better alternative to your suggestion, I have no issue.
I provided a way for it to not be nerfed for ranged champions (because it doesn't need to) while also providing a buff for melee(which it needs)
Irelia Bot1 votesBoth would have the effective same result depending on the % given unless a ranged actually wishes to go for a tankier build in which case you are punishing build diversity.
This item was not created to be a anti burst item for marksmen so i am pushing it more in the direction of fighters which is the class it was created to be most idea for. If a Graves or Quinn wants to build fairly tanky I am not going to dock them just for being ranged since their damage will be hit with their tanker build decisions.
LA Losty1 votesThat means that it wont be useable for anything but tanks or bruisers, so squishy fighters or assassins wont be able to use it either. I havnt seen steraks be a problem on adc's so i see no need to change the item further than they already did.
Tychusfindlay9194 votesThat means that it wont be useable for anything but tanks or bruisers, so squishy fighters or assassins wont be able to use it either. I havnt seen steraks be a problem on adc's so i see no need to change the item further than they already did.
Its not a problem because the item had its health guttered and its passive no longer stacks with maw. Its a shit item right now.
Voluug131 votesSo, it wont be usable on the champions its not supposed to be usable? Good.
Depárt2 votesIt was never intended to be specific to a class, just more catering.
It's always going to be an available buy on any class, it's not a melee only item.
Astôlfo1 votes"That means that it wont be useable for anything but tanks or bruisers, so squishy fighters or assassins wont be able to use it either."
The point -> . . . Your head.
LA Losty1 votesWell it seemed like a decent item in some cases since it gives both health and a bit of dmg, where as tanks usually want resists aswell. Fighters like Riven or Fiora wont make much use of it either.
