how do you exactly outplay any champions with devoure+rageblade mechanically?

MunchCrunchLunch·Mar 11, 2016·15 votes·2,196 views

enlighten me?.

60 Comments

KyroRayneMar 11, 20166 votes

Hard CC and teamwork. Don't try to 1 v 1 them.

MunchCrunchLunchMar 11, 20161 votes

so basically. you can't outplay them. I mean. sure. vayne is a 1v1 adc. but you can outplay her.

so how. are these champions balanced (actually not the champions more like devoure + rageblade). when you don't have a fair shot at going 1v1 against them. I mean. fiora is the GRAND DUELIST. but you CAN outplay her. does she have to build devoure + rageblade.

do I pink ward them? lol sorry

nobody is gonna go 1v2 and type in ALL CHAT. "OUTPLAYED"

i mean. lol.

you know the other team has an adc as well. and an apc. and maybe a top lane carry.

MhihnjMar 11, 20161 votes

If you are a fed mage with good cc. Note: Fiora cannot actually riposte veigar's stun because she needs to walk into it unless....

But all these assassins are making the mages almost extinct.

Basically, pretty much the only counter to sustained damage(can we even call it that anymore) is being pushed away and out of existence.

Sire HippingtonMar 11, 20161 votes

how can you outplay a vayne 1v1, but not a shyvana? She also has only rightclick damage and a point n click, where is not a single thing you can avboid from her, and she is ranged with more mobillity. Also, you can't really outplay fiora, she can fail, but as long as she doesn't make a mistake, you can't do much, especially as she has massive mobillity unlike most devourer users.

MoonToonExMar 11, 20161 votes

Shyvana doesn't use RB.

KaokentakeMar 11, 20162 votes

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so basically. you can't outplay them. I mean. sure. vayne is a 1v1 adc. but you can outplay her.

so how. are these champions balanced (actually not the champions more like devoure + rageblade). when you don't have a fair shot at going 1v1 against them. I mean. fiora is the GRAND DUELIST. but you CAN outplay her. does she have to build devoure + rageblade.

do I pink ward them? lol sorry

nobody is gonna go 1v2 and type in ALL CHAT. "OUTPLAYED"

i mean. lol.

you know the other team has an adc as well. and an apc. and maybe a top lane carry.

riot balances champions based on what they call "output"

im not joking. riot had a big balance discussion a while ago where they explained their outlook. i cant find it now though

riot defines "output" as simply one thing . the power provided to help your team kill the nexus

riot views killing the nexus as the ultimate singular aspect of league of legends. and output is how your champion combines with your team to provide power to kill the nexus

i believe this is a proper way to balance the game too

in other words. it doesnt matter if yi can 1v1 you and you can never outplay him 1v1. want to know why? because if you still kill yi's nexus. you still win

make sense now?

there are many counters to yi. not counters that let you beat him 1v1. but counters that let you kill his nexus

in other words. this game is a 5v5. not a 1v1. some champions are designed to be 1v1 gods, and they 100% ARE weaker than teamfight gods like brand azir vlad kennen or lissandra in a 5v5

and 5v5 power is usually one of the strongest outputs that allows a champion to kill the nexus

Vistha KaiMar 11, 20162 votes

That'd be sound logic and shit, except the fact Yi can take down three enemies single-handedly and still retain one of the highest winrates with one of the highest pickrates of all junglers.

So ultimately his "output" is too good in his favor.

InHaruhiWeTrustMar 12, 20162 votes

^ epecially for how easy he is to use. IMO champs like yi shouldn't have a winrate above 50% in plat and above because of how simplistic they are. in theory everyone plat and above should know how to counter them which should make them really bad in higher elo and give them low winrates. but in practice however, these champs are pretty much never aloud by riot to go below a 50-51% winrate(with very few exceptions). udyr for instance has maintained a 54-58% winrate for the past 6 patches or so with only the absolute minimal nerfs. ps. im pretty fucking salty about getting stomped by a yi last game who went from 0-5 to 17-6

Vistha KaiMar 12, 20162 votes

I know the pain. I remember playing Shyvana top aganist jungle Yi who also initially went 0/5.

Basically he was camping top nearly exclusively and I was getting double kill after double kill.

After that 5th death Yi managed to farm three items: item 3931 item 3124 item 3156

I went 1v1 aganist him. For the first ~3 seconds he was dealing basically no damage to me until the Maw proc'd and Rageblade stacked. At which point he pretty much one-shot me and ended the fight at full HP.

I had 5 items. He had 3.

Why. Is. Something. Like. That. Ever. Allowed. To. Happen?

GlaedrMar 11, 20162 votes

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Hard CC and teamwork. Don't try to 1 v 1 them.

A devourer jungler is most likely going to be splitpushing, so do you just dedicate all your resources to stopping them or let them keep pushing for free towers?

KyroRayneMar 11, 20161 votes

Both. You have to pick and choose. If you can win a huge team fight while their jungler is split pushing, push down everything you can before their team respawns. You'll out push them, and most of the time, the jungler will back to try to stop you. Some times, he'll finish the tower that he's killing first, but you should be able to push down at least 2, maybe 3 towers in that time unless he's that far ahead already.

If that's the case, kill the jungler first, and go for Dragon or Baron. The enemy team can't really stop you unless they kill your jungler.

FalconPawwwwnchMar 11, 20162 votes

How do you outplay ranged AD autoattacks?

BorkahnMar 11, 20161 votes

Rammus item 3075 I'm not even kidding. Yi dies. Xin dies. Jax dies. It's hilarious

MunchCrunchLunchMar 11, 20161 votes

I can guantee you that I soloed a rammus with yi a cpl matches ago and my botrk wasn't even finished. with jax and xin should be even easier since xin has armor pen and jax does mostly magic damage

BorkahnMar 11, 20161 votes

Then the rammus you are playing is terrible. I've never lost to a Yi when playing Rammus. He literally kills himself.

MhihnjMar 11, 20161 votes

try draven. He kills himself... with style!

AlwaysByMySideMar 11, 20163 votes

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I'm not even kidding. Yi dies. Xin dies. Jax dies. It's hilarious

Master Yi late game eats Rammus alive 1v1, lol.

BorkahnMar 11, 20161 votes

Again, you are building Rammus wrong. I eat yi's Alive

AlwaysByMySideMar 11, 20163 votes

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Again, you are building Rammus wrong. I eat yi's Alive

I don't play Rammus, but I do play Yi, and after a certain point Yi shreds Rammus 1v1.

I took a look at your Rammus builds, and honestly? There is nothing special or unique about them that would imply your Rammus would kill a Yi in a duel when full build late game.

Now, Rammus does work as a great counter to Yi in team fights where he can force Yi to attack him while putting out damage, making the Yi fairly easy to kill, but in a duel? No, Yi beats Rammus and most champions.

Jax probably also does. I don't know about Xin Zhao.

BorkahnMar 11, 20161 votes

All my statistics and real life situations suggest otherwise. I even was at a quarter hp when a Yi attacked me with full hp and guess who was standing at the end of it. Almost 600 Armor or 700 I forget which one, with the thornmail is a burst of damage each hit and if you want to go sated and double up those hits....gg bro. Not to mention my AD is almost 250 or 300 by the time my armor is up there.

AlwaysByMySideMar 12, 20161 votes

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All my statistics and real life situations suggest otherwise. I even was at a quarter hp when a Yi attacked me with full hp and guess who was standing at the end of it. Almost 600 Armor or 700 I forget which one, with the thornmail is a burst of damage each hit and if you want to go sated and double up those hits....gg bro. Not to mention my AD is almost 250 or 300 by the time my armor is up there.

All right, give me the full build you would use for top lane Rammus. I'm gonna test this with a friend of mine.

AlwaysByMySideMar 12, 20161 votes

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All my statistics and real life situations suggest otherwise. I even was at a quarter hp when a Yi attacked me with full hp and guess who was standing at the end of it. Almost 600 Armor or 700 I forget which one, with the thornmail is a burst of damage each hit and if you want to go sated and double up those hits....gg bro. Not to mention my AD is almost 250 or 300 by the time my armor is up there.

Took too long to respond.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2121295074/211504336?tab=overview

We tested out several different builds, and I think I can guess why you could 1v1 Master Yi players. Most are dumb and build guinsoo's rageblade every game, when they should get a Blade of the Ruined King against Rammus. With Berserker's Greaves, Blade of the Ruined King, Maw of Malmortius, Deadman's Plate, Sterak's Gage, and Sated Devourer Master Yi shreds a Rammus 1v1. Even if he doesn't use Challenging Smite. If he does use Challenging Smite it's not even really close.

pE4CbxDPQOMar 11, 20161 votes

The same way you defeat Tank Akali.

MunchCrunchLunchMar 11, 20161 votes

i dont care about tank akali.

pE4CbxDPQOMar 11, 20161 votes

Well if you want to beat rage/dev champs you have to apply the same method.

MunchCrunchLunchMar 11, 20162 votes

dude. idc about tank akali. its garbage as far as am concerned. shes not gonna do 2k+ damage after resistances in less than 2 seconds.

ElwynnMar 11, 20161 votes

You use pink wards Kappa123

MhihnjMar 11, 20161 votes

if it's akali, then yeah

Vistha KaiMar 11, 20161 votes

No, pink wards are for Nidalee.

Aganist Akali you dodge her skillshots.

darkmatchwaldoMar 11, 20161 votes

You play ANOTHER item 3124 item 3931 champion. item 3070

MhihnjMar 11, 20161 votes

that's counter picking, not outplaying

NyhverMar 11, 20161 votes

You don't except under two circumstances usually;

Hoping they're in a group, (like a bunch of minions) so they can't use attack nearest target

Dodging their cursor, which works best with high MS/dashes or flash

ToastXYZMar 11, 20161 votes

You pick something that won't get outscaled, like jax

MhihnjMar 11, 20161 votes

Veigar Nasus Sion etc

MhihnjMar 11, 20161 votes

The current solution i can find is go out and play and honestly, it's not that appealing when there are so few parks around my area(nearest one is about 4 km away)

CaptnJakSparrowMar 11, 20161 votes

by picking a better one.

MirkhailMar 11, 20161 votes

Your question is not about the items but are about the champions, "outplay" and "counter play" come from a champion kit, most aa based champion have a simple kit, simple kit don't allow big counter play so the outplay is only about your champion ability to outplay the opponent (not let him aa you).

Sire HippingtonMar 11, 20161 votes

depends on your champ, but basically, you don't let them constantly AA you, which means you kite em or use hit n run tactics, just that some champs can't do either of that and are most likely screwed. However, what do you do cs an adc mechnically? They also just rightclick you, just that they do it from range which makes kiteing impossible and hit n run also gets harder to do as they just shoot into your back when you run... There are much worse offenders in terms of mechanicall outplay than rageblade/devourer users, as the fact that they are melees that rely on landing multiple AAs already grants some counterplay, unless your a melee yourself without sufficient tools to disengage.

Vistha KaiMar 11, 20161 votes

You can't kite Udyr or Yi who have like 600 movement speed, Tenacity or slow reduction/immunity.

Not even Rammus can disengage from them and unless you are, like, Vayne with superior peel, you can't kill them either.