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So bot lane is now diverse enough to have different champs now. Can we buff marksman in other lanes?

Perfect Hunter·6/23/2018, 3:30:05 AM·13 votes·5,036 views

As the title says. Simply put diversity is great for bot lane. ADC/Marksman is not mandatory but can we buff the regular marksman (such as crit adcs) so they be in other lanes and not be so reliant on supports. I feel how riot designed marksman in the past decade, they were heavy reliant on supports but now botlane has finally open up I think marksman needs a big rework to be viable in other lanes. To make marksman to be self reliant and can be in other lanes without dying so quickly. So I have has suggestions if you don't mind, but feel to free to criticize.

**1. Buff some marksman defensive stats ** I feel that the crit and marksman rework was heavily nerf them too much and the overall nerf to their stats was too much. I am curious if we can buff they're base stats so they similar to some mid laners or maybe some bruisers. Allowing them to take some more hits since they are not reliant on supports if they go to different lanes and trade effectively. Making their base stats like mid laners or some bruisers can help them if they go in other lanes. Maybe buff they're ad as well, but want to see if they got buffed they're defensive stats they can be in other lanes before thinking of buffing their ad.

**2. Buff Crit marksman items and make them more itemization friendly. ** So yea, I notice ADCs/marksman have to worry about a lot of stats: (Crit, Attack speed, ad, lifesteal, armor pen/lethality) and their defensive options are quite low in my opinion. With got item 3026 and item 3156 with the exception the life steal items and boots. While other lanes are much more simple such: (AP, Magic pen, Mana, cdr) for mages. (lethality, ad, lifesteal ) for ad assassins. Tanks just mostly worry (armor and magic resist) Of course I am generalizing basic stats needs for each lane, but my main point is Adcs/marksman require a lot of stats. It's one of the main reasons why I like the idea of the new item 3031 . Simply because Crit marksman had more options on what they can build. A free slot to get 60% crit. But price of crit, games ending faster and the new meta kind of changed that. So I decide change their items a bit. Be advise though this is what I just come up with in giving marksman more options. Feel free to change anything to or give your take on it.

So here is what I thought of of the rework items: First of item 3086 needs a price reduction to reflect on what the stats give. 1300 gold for 15% attack speed and and 15% crit chance plus 5% movement speed doesn't seem worth and not to mention item 1051 is 600 for 10% crit chance. item 3031 can be expensive but not the Crit items. maybe 1100 gold? perhaps as well reduce the price of item 1038 to 1250 perhaps like item 1058 or even 1200?.

(Change some stuff here if ya like) And with that lets try:

  • Phantom Dancer item 3046 builds from item 3086 &item 3044 So maybe 1100 gold and 1250 is 2350 + (insert combined cost) Gives HP, Attack Speed, AD and Crit. Gives 200 hp but lets say 20 or 30 AD perhaps with 45% attack speed and 30% crit and 5% movement speed. Has the Same passive as the old item 3046 but adds the Rage Passive as well. Gives some hp for survivability with some Ad with your Crit.

  • Rapid Fire Cannon item 3094 but item 2015 is now AD instead of 15% attackspeed. the end result and cost of the item is unchanged but now item 3094 now has 30% attack speed, 30% crit change, 5% movement speed and 40 AD(or whatever amount). The same change will happen to item 3087

  • Blade of the Ruined King item 3153 is now item 3086 + item 3144 Gives Ad, Attack speed, lifesteal and crit. (Don't know the numbers) and has the same passives or reworked passives.

  • Berserker's Greaves item 3006 Not sure but perhaps give it more insensitive to buy this over safer options item 3111 or item 3047 . Maybe bonus attack speed converts to more movement speed.

  • Doran's items item 1055 Maybe give 10 ad instead of 8. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  • Perhaps add new items for marksman. More defensive Items could help other than item 3026 & item 3156. Giving them more options and unique items like item 3095

** 3. Buff Turrets ** Simply said. Towers are too weak. They die too fast, we have more ways to destroy them than ever before. AP champions autos practically destroy them within a few seconds. Dives are easy to pull off and are not really punished if we can abuse the terrible turret A.I. So here's what I got;

  • Buff Turret HP
  • Turrets do more damage, make turrets do true damage.
  • Turret shots ramp up attack speed on Champions or while enemy champions are under tower.
  • Perhaps add a change to item 3056 to buff friendly turrets as well

Well that's all I got for my suggestions (even though I'm starting to think talking about turrets sent the topic of course.). ADC/Marksman has been a role that was quite 1 dimensional and even though people dislike the fact botlane is growing in diversity with this huge meta shift. It also showed how flawed the Marksman role in league and maybe marksman needs some diversity. Even if my suggestions/concepts are trash, I still think marksman needs to be self-reliant and be seen in other lanes. Who knows, Ashe mid will one day return and also sorry for the poor formatting. First time making something this big.

44 Comments

saltran6/23/2018, 8:13:54 AM4 votes

Remember what happened to Lucian when he was played Mid? Nerfed into the ground for months.

Rito clearly DON'T want botlane marksman (this exclude Kindred/Corky/Quinn) to be viable on other lanes.

D357R0Y3R6/23/2018, 4:56:58 AM4 votes

crit does not need buffs the reason crit adcs suck right now is because riot kneecaped their laning phase through sustain nerf+armor and ad nerf

they need buff in early game, i suggest to nerf zeal items bonus movement speed and buff base movement speed

rayzo6/23/2018, 3:46:31 AM3 votes

Please. Riot JUST nerfed crit items. Make up your minds, people! You tell Riot what to buff/nerf and they do, and then you complain because something else is unbalanced as a result of that.

Just an example or two

boards: "ignite is crap, rito buff ignite" rito: "ok" boards: "cmon nerf assassins! they can 1 shot anyone and they're much too oppressive!"

boards: "cmon rito crit ADCs are too strong, nerf crit pls Rito!" rito: "kk on it" boards "COME ON GUYS CRIT ITEMS ARE GARBAGE THEY NEED A BUFF ASAP"

Just make up your minds already.

ChargeItDownMid6/23/2018, 6:49:55 AM3 votes

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Fluffeh6/23/2018, 10:52:41 AM3 votes

You understand the diversity in botlane is entirely because adc's are weak enough to warrant it right? What happens if theyre not as weak? They go back to botlane and the diversity is gone.

Many marksman were and are still capable of solo laning, lucian/ezreal/corki and kaisa if you count jungling.

The Last Padawan6/23/2018, 12:45:41 PM3 votes

THIS!!! It’s just sad how they ruined a whole class balanced around being strong botlane just for the sake of ‘diversity’. I mean, they are rendered completely useless right now... games are usually over before ADCs can even...you know... CARRY.

remakoro6/23/2018, 1:36:13 PM2 votes

Best buff to Marksmans would be removal of conqueror and making towers and tanks great again.

Then you will actually have a reason to pick marksman and protect him.

OmegaNITRO6/23/2018, 1:03:42 PM2 votes

An awesome idea, it's what would make the game truly diverse.

But in all likelihood buffing marksmen to the point where they can solo lane would just make them the most efficient in bot again, and if they can 1v1 on top of that people are just gonna cry harder than they did pre 8.11.

What makes marksmen the most efficient duo lane carries is how they scale harder off items and less off levels, and are natural glass cannons with little safety options, so they need lane partners more than any other class.

Making them able to break even with other classes built to sustain themselves would move the opposite direction and have ADCs take over bot and then move to other lanes too.

So really I'm fine with ADCs just being the better option in bot lane, and the game state changed to make sustained AD from range important again. So buff towers HP, damage and MR, buff Baron damage again, and either give ADCs smoother buildpaths to 3 items, make their items a little cheaper, or change their stats so they can survive early lane better and have more opportunity to scale.

The other champs in bot can stay, but they SHOULD be at a slight disadvantage laning in a lane they aren't built for, not the other way around.

AirKingNeo6/23/2018, 5:44:51 AM2 votes

I'd prefer if BF Sword was 1150 gold and gave 5 less AD.

RekSai CoffeeCo6/23/2018, 1:28:30 PM1 votes

Twitch needs help in jungle to keep up with 8.10/11 nerfs to jungle diversity and experience levels.

StefanN66/23/2018, 11:42:03 AM1 votes

i just wanna riot will make bot lane again marksman + support or make adc will be more top lane or anything else cause how i see now the game is confussing :/

Nyarlathοtep6/23/2018, 9:50:38 AM1 votes

Wait what? The reason why other champs can go bot is because adcs got nerfed in the first place. Buffing them up would push other champs from bot and once more bot will become an adc+supp lane.