Random buff to yi and rengar with a nerf on ryze

Killer of Night9·Aug 21, 2018·79 votes·17,790 views

Master Yi Meditate (W) cooldown lowered from 35 to 28 damage reduction increased from 50/55/60/65/70% to 60/62.5/65/67.5/70%

Rengar Thrill of the Hunt (R) Camouflage duration increased from 12/16/20 to 12/20/28 Cooldown lowered from 130/100/70 to 110/90/70

Ryze Overload (Q) AP ratio lowered from 45% to 35%

People are complaning about being oneshot by rengar and riot is increasing the chance to do that? No world for yi. Better nerf ryze because of pro play… Rework is coming soon

66 Comments

RaiyzaAug 21, 201856 votes

I'm so sick of Rengar. Holy jesus. Riot's balance team has no clue what theyre doing.

HaIlMonitorAug 21, 20182 votes

I am really sick of Draven and Jhin, but hey they don't care about them at all. You should clean your dirty glasses because Rengar is the only semi viable diver right now.

Seer of MindAug 22, 20185 votes

Draven takes actual skill to play, Jhin is broken and rito is 'watching him'. Rengar is ok? sure ya' know its fine to just have him flank around to one shot you or your carries :v

Bob the ToastrAug 22, 201811 votes

He takes skill to farm with and takes skill in extended fights because of his axes. Most of the time though you just get your 2 axes up and then run at them because 2 autos with stormrazor usually does enough damage lol.

Seer of MindAug 22, 20182 votes

yeah i know, its the items in the game that makes him busted. plus his passive giving him so much gold on kills.

After3permaAug 22, 20181 votes

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Draven takes actual skill to play,

Lol really, when the most broken ADC in the game is the only ranged champion abusing broken Conqueror and destroying squishies and tanks.

Seer of MindAug 22, 20182 votes

Items and runes make him powerful. Not his kit, did you ignore my 2nd comment?

Javi Is HereAug 21, 201840 votes

Ryze item 3070

Meanwhile Master Yi "outplays" people with Q and never ending heals with is buffs on his W

TheCodeisCupCakeAug 21, 20188 votes

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Meanwhile Master Yi "outplays" people with Q and never ending heals with is buffs on his W

To be fair Ryze has a 2 second point and click Root.

LEAFERAAug 21, 201817 votes

To be fair, malzahar have 3 second point and click stun

TheCodeisCupCakeAug 21, 201819 votes

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To be fair, malzahar have 3 second point and click stun

Thats an ultimate

SugeMinPikkAug 21, 20185 votes

Suppression*

Meaning he also stuns himself

rayzoAug 22, 20188 votes

2.5* and it's a suppression and he's also rooted in place

Auz the RipperAug 22, 20181 votes

Worse than rooted in place, he’s channeling! He can’t do shit else while it’s happening or he’ll cancel it and he can’t defend himself from their teammates

theChibiTinaAug 22, 20184 votes

Malz is more like a lock them down while your teammate kills them more than anything right now. That's why me and a friend had a strategy one game where I was Malz mid and he was Rengar top and every time our ults were up, he'd roam down and we'd delete the poor enemy Diana. It was kinda ridiculous and is proof that Rengar really doesn't need buffs on his ult.

NyarlathοtepAug 22, 20182 votes

To be fair its a 2.5 suppress. Meaning malz himself is rooted too.

NaymlissAug 21, 201816 votes

It's 1.5, requires 2 abilities,and you sacrifice almost all your damage for it

hhaavviikkAug 22, 20181 votes

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It's 1.5, requires 2 abilities,and you sacrifice almost all your damage for it

which doesn't really matter vs allot of melee champions, he goes Q > E > W> Q and he runs away at lightspeed while you couldn't do anything back to him cuz he rooted you in place

MrHaZeYoAug 21, 20187 votes

yay Yi is gonna be everywhere again :(.

I could care less about Rengo and Ryze in one the few Mages I don't play so I'm ok with them. I feel Rengo is a bit easier to play around the Yi.

SmallCheeseCakeAug 22, 20185 votes

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yay Yi is gonna be everywhere again :(.

I could care less about Rengo and Ryze in one the few Mages I don't play so I'm ok with them. I feel Rengo is a bit easier to play around the Yi.

????? you must be one of those people who think mordekaiser would be everywhere if he got a 0.00000000000001 atk spd buff

MrHaZeYoAug 22, 20183 votes

Well the difference between Yi and Mord is that Mord is basically no where to be seen as is. Morde actually needs help, Yi is doing fine for himself and buffs to him just enhance his ability in the lower/mid elos where he is already solid. While both Rengo and Yi have similar counter measures (group up and CC), Yi destroys tanks and squishes alike where as Rengo can't really go through the frontline and unlike many stealthed champions you can actually figure out where he is coming from with his ult indicator.

As a mage player, I basically just have to stand next to my top laner and I'll be ok vs Rengo, Yi will just shred the entire team in a couple seconds flat. Yi can never be useful at the upper elos and like Garen will only ever been a lower elo stomper. Even in my elo, Yi is a very hit or miss champion, but that doesn't mean I want to play against Yi every game, I'd rather play vs Lee or Graves. While 10% DR doesn't seem like a lot, it really does negate a lot of damage early on where it matters most for a late game champion.

SugeMinPikkAug 21, 20184 votes

Yi buff is ResidentSleeper

Rengar buff is decent

Ryze nerf is odd

IllabetheAug 22, 20189 votes

ikr? 7-5 second CDR reduction on his "pause button....."

Riot does realize they designed Yi's R to "Pause" while Meditate is active, right? They are literally letting him abuse Meditate to keep opponents away from even MORE of his ult down time..... right after they gave Guinsoo's a 3 hit full proc on melees...... and raised average AD player's AD to 400-500 from 270-400......

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 22, 20181 votes

have you tried interupting it? I know it might sound hard to hit a target that's literally not moving but cmon ma dude.

jocomotionAug 22, 20181 votes

Well there’s a problem there, most people use their hard CC to stop him from murdering everyone, then when that’s on cooldown and Yi’s a bit low on health then he meditates.

So the problem isn’t missing shots half the time, it’s more like we’re out of ammo to stop the healing.

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 22, 20181 votes

that's what you get for bringing only 1 cc ability in a 5 man team then.

jocomotionAug 22, 20181 votes

“Most people use their hard CC to stop him”

reads as team comp has only one form of hard CC

Look dude, I’m just stating facts Yi uses W as an “oh shit” button, and this just makes the ability even more forgiving for making mistakes. Usually if he’s doing even average, the enemy is forced to use their CC (weather multiple or naw) to stave him off. The problem is that most of the time that allows him a free meditate with little to no fear of interruption.

You didn’t even make an argument.

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 22, 20181 votes

why'd you all hard CC at the same time? if every single person in your team has CC then atleast someone should have it up when Yi's meditating.

You can't blame your own mistake on yi.

There's no way you all used your CC and didn't manage to kill him. If you did he's either Building full tank and should be ignored, He's extremely far ahead and deserves to win or yall missed some/didn't finish him.

jocomotionAug 22, 20181 votes

Alright, I’ll give you an example and be done since I’m getting tired of watching you jump to conclusions. Say you have a team of something like Ashe Morgana and lets say Fizz the only things that could stop Yi from meditating are Morg Ult, Ashe Ult, Renekton W, Fizz Ult, and Vi Q/R.

Since roots won’t stop meditate’s damage reduction or healing I can’t count them, so Morgana Q’s out.

Assuming the team miraculously has every ultimate ability up, you still don’t want to use multiple Ults on just Yi. Even if you do it’s damage will be mitigated even more thanks to the buff, and two of the ultimates are delayed, meaning he can Q to avoid them easily.

So you’re best bets are Vi Q or Renekton W, assuming Vi doesn’t Miss and Renekton is in position to get close enough to stop Yi. Are you at least understanding that simply trying to CC him isn’t going to solve all his problems?

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 22, 20181 votes

Ashe ult alone should be enough to kill the average Yi, but let's say he gets hit at the absolute minimum range for the stun: 1 second. Then fish will most likely be able to finish him of if he gets to him or you can follow up with one of the other CC moves.

If yi starts meditating he is doing nothing vs your team, yes he's healing but like you said he has DR so you might aswel kill his backline while he's standing there, when he comes out of it root him and be done with him.

Counterplay shouldn't work 100% because then yi would have no counterplay against you. I get what you're trying to say, but it's only fair that he has the option to get around you as much as you have to get around him.

IllabetheAug 23, 20181 votes

You do realize he has a TEAM with him, and if you blow all your CC on him, you are vulnerable to THEM. Also, even if you use a CC to stop his Meditate, he still takes reduced damage from that skill. At which point he continues his Highlander and Q's you, preventing yet another CC, and then shreds you. He can also run item 3139 , which in effect means for your point to be valid,

You need a CC for his Meditate
You need a CC for his First Q
You need a CC for his Post Meditate Q
You need a CC for his Mercurial Scimitar.....

Almost 95% of the game's CC is literally skill shots, which Yi is immune to when he's in Q. And current items alsmot make Q spammable.

The only exceptions which Yi cannot react to are the following:

Annie 's Stun, which if cast on her R or W, is instant, with no time to react/Q

Amumu 's Root on R, which briefly stops his movement.

Braum 's Passive stun, which occurs when he attacks/skills a target and allies get off 3 other attacks, which proc the stun from a Mark

Camille 's R, but only as long as Camille is alive, and Yi can kill Camille in her field.

Evelynn 's Charm. One of the BEST counters to Yi's cc avoidance, because any part of her kit can activate it. 4 tries on Q, 3 of which do not require targetting, E, and auto attacks, and her R. Evelynn also cannot be targetted by Alpha Strike while Stealthed, so she's situationally good for this task.

Galio 's Taunt, since it's a nontarget aoe.

Karma 's W, since it has a delayed activate, that occurs even if Yi is in Q when it happens. (requires her to survive that long though)

Kennen 's Ult. Aoe non target stun after 3 ticks.

Morgana 's Ult...... if she can survive that long, and note that Morg's R slow will not affect him, so he can easily leave it.

Nautilus 's R, which is only an unavoidable knockup. Not a guaranteed control.

Rammus 's Taunt, which in turn gets him killed from auto attacks, and recharges Yi's skills for when it ends.

..... and that's IT. Those are the only reliable CC at hitting Yi in the entire game. The rest require you to:

Sacrifice teammates to stand aside and cc him after he lands from a Q. Risk him going airborne again, and miss. Risk skill delays which make them avoidable.

And ALL of them, including most of the ones I mentioned..... are Mercurial Scimitar-able.

I read your counter to the post below. You really don't seem to understand that Yi's Q makes him immune to cc that is a skill shot during his Q. Nothing can hit Yi in Q at all. Your CC has to hit BEFORE he Q's or after, or be initiated by a Mark, or be a "Field" CC which affects the area, not a specific target/s.

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 23, 20181 votes

Yes me giving people ways they could beat him and ways he could beat them in based on a teamcomp they have given means i don't know how Q works.

Sacrifice teammates to stand aside and cc him after he lands from a Q.

Q alone is almost never gonna oneshot someone, many skillshots (including cc outrange it).

Risk him going airborne again, and miss.

Yi doesn't go airborne, that's not what airborne in this game means.

Risk skill delays which make them avoidable.

No idea what the point of this is, everything that's dodgable can be dodged at almost any point in the game (point blank being the only way that's not really possible)

And ALL of them, including most of the ones I mentioned..... are Mercurial Scimitar-able.

Which would force him to buy merc.

I read your counter to the post below. You really don't seem to understand that Yi's Q makes him immune to cc that is a skill shot during his Q. Nothing can hit Yi in Q at all. Your CC has to hit BEFORE he Q's or after, or be initiated by a Mark, or be a "Field" CC which affects the area, not a specific target/s.

So what you're saying is it's unfair that yi gets to outplay you with his Q? you're not complaining about yi having no counterplay but about you not wanting to have counterplay yourself. You don't want yi to have a damn thing to avoid being bursted down.

Yi should die after the first CC you throw on him, if you didn't you're gonna need a second one. should've used the first one better.

Fact is still that if you all used your hard cc at the exact same time you wasted most of it and you're now sitting there with no CC, if you somehow managed to use all your hard cc and still didn't kill him you don't deserve to beat him.

IllabetheAug 24, 20181 votes

You're actually wrong, given that Any Q that initially targets a CHAMPION ends with an instantaneous auto attack. He can literally 1 shot an ADC or mage with it.
I know what Q does. It's a VANISH, which makes him untargettable and immune to skill shots during its duration. (Only 4 skills in the ENTIRE GAME give this status, and Yi's is by FAR the most powerful).

Vanish (also referred to as Removed From Play) applies all the effects of becoming untargetable, but also makes the target unable to act and invisible.

I used the term Airborne as LOWER CASE to indicate it a coin of term, NOT a status. He visually goes Airborne, although he doesn't need that sub status, because Vanish has a MUCH STRONGER effect:

Untargetability refers to units in a state where they are no longer valid targets for auras (e.g. Sunfire Cape), unit-targeted (e.g. Disintegrate), auto-targeted , direction-targeted (e.g. Mystic Shot Mystic Shot) and ground-targeted effects (e.g. Pillar of Flame Pillar of Flame),** including attacks, abilities, items and summoner spells**.

In other words, Untargetable has the effect of Airborne WITHIN it: Airborne ignores Ground Targeted Effects.

Some skills literally have delays. They are not instantaneously casting, which means Yi can avoid them completely, simply because they don't act before he can react. For example, 's E has a .75 Second delay, as does her Q. 's Bubble has a .87 Second delay on landing after cast. 's E is delayed .75 seconds. This means he DOESN'T HAVE TO DODGE. He just has to have a Q target.
Not like Merc is a bad item on him..... AD..... Life steal..... resist.... it's a META ITEM.
No. I'm saying there's no Consequences to Throwing up your Yi Ult, and then when in trouble, W'ing to pause it, because no matter what an opponent does, Yi has a way to play it.

For example, if Udyr ...... who is supposed to counter Yi...... uses Bear Stance to break a Yi Meditate, his Bear stance damage is reduced, Yi's Q is back up, and Udyr no longer has CC. He then proceeds to kill Udyr with auto attacks, and can avoid the attacks that do severe damage by Qing.

If Udyr waits for Meditate to run out, Yi will still have his R up, and also win that.

There are so many situations in which Yi doesn't need to play perfectly or even sub par..... to come out ahead.

For the record, I specifically pick Evelynn into Yi every time because I know it's the BEST counter. So no..... I don't personally care about beating Yi.

What I DO care about is Yi getting 3-4 Quadra kills for free because the kits to actually stun him are VERY VERY slim, vs a champ that can time skills to dodge 4 cc skills, and live to tell the tale. I care when teammates of mine can die, and prolong his Ult into 28 seconds and be off cooldown about when it ends, to use AGAIN. I care that his R isn't affected at all by item 3075 item 3143 item 3110 . I care that NOW...... Yi does about 30% TRUE DAMAGE...... consistently. If he goes Crit, it's about 42%.

He has no real downsides at all. His counterplay is rare. His survivability status is unmatched when played correctly (even when compared to Garen or Tryndamere)

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 24, 20181 votes

You're actually wrong, given that Any Q that initially targets a CHAMPION ends with an instantaneous auto attack. He can literally 1 shot an ADC or mage with it.

I can assure you he ain't doing that without building full damage. Jax Fiora Yasuo Do the same thing to an adc, actually everyone who builds almost full or actually full damage does that to an adc.

I know what Q does. It's a VANISH, which makes him untargettable and immune to skill shots during its duration. (Only 4 skills in the ENTIRE GAME give this status, and Yi's is by FAR the most powerful).

That's how it should work yes. There's actually quite a bunch of champs that have it btw. because it's exactly the same as untargetability except that your allied soraka isn't able to ult you either and you lose control.

Airborne ignores Ground Targeted Effects.

.... airborne is knockup. "GRound targeted abilities" means AOE. you don't ignore brand pillar by being knocked up by cho do you?

Vlad pool would be the strongest one if you ask me.

Yi's is the least reliable as every alpha is a coinflip as to wether you're gonna dodge everything or be hit by something somehow.

Some skills literally have delays. They are not instantaneously casting, which means Yi can avoid them completely, simply because they don't act before he can react.

That goes for sidestepping to, nothing special about yi dodging those. The difference being yi has a tool to dodge it point blank, pretty much every fighter has a defensive tool as they're fairly squishy in melee range most of the time.

No. I'm saying there's no Consequences to Throwing up your Yi Ult, and then when in trouble, W'ing to pause it, because no matter what an opponent does, Yi has a way to play it. For example, if ...... who is supposed to counter Yi...... uses Bear Stance to break a Yi Meditate, his Bear stance damage is reduced, Yi's Q is back up, and Udyr no longer has CC. He then proceeds to kill Udyr with auto attacks, and can avoid the attacks that do severe damage by Qing.

He's still stunned after udyr's bear stance stun, udyr can also stun him right after yi's q. You describe a situation in which yi q's instantly after bear stance. Yi starts fights with his Q most of the time, udyr can just stun him right after that. You can't just go with a situation where everything goes perfect for yi and then say he's got no counterplay. udyr especially has the tools to deal with yi.

I care that NOW...... Yi does about 30% TRUE DAMAGE...... consistently. If he goes Crit, it's about 42%.

We're talking purely about yi here, Wether or not conqueror is an issue is a different question. Fiora this thot does like 60% of her damage as true damage.

RyzeTheSmurfMageAug 22, 20182 votes

The nerf to Ryze triggered me beyond imagination he is already 44% winrate wtf is Riot thinking and don'T give me the "Proplay" bull sh** again Ryze has negative winrate even there.

SancreAug 22, 20182 votes

At this point I'm beginning to think that they nerf Ryze every time they get pissed at Brandon.

-Did you see Brandon? that guy had the nerve not to say good day to me when we crossed each other in the street yesterday!! -Yeah, such an a**hole, lets nerf Ryze again, that will teach him how we play!

LibroMastroAug 21, 20183 votes

Well..there is no point in reading the boards hoping riot would change things..that's just too ridiculous

Goodbye LoL

HayaishiAug 22, 20183 votes

You know balance team is trolling when you see that Rengar buff on PVE.

lmao, also varus nerfs the same patch 47% win rate OP.

RyzeTheSmurfMageAug 22, 20183 votes

.............. THE FUCK? ???????????????????? WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY NERFING RYZE AGAIN I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT PROPLAY RYZE WILL BE UBPLAYABLE NOW IT'S THE 11TH NERF IN A ROW ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOS RIOT??????

InfernapeAug 22, 20182 votes

Welcome to the Pro Play Nerf Hotel. Enjoy your stay.

LTK KoRoAug 22, 20181 votes

Good, ryze deserve this nerf, for his safe laning he shouldn't have that strong lategame. When ryze is one of the best sidelane champions it's obvious he deserve nerfs. I wish he'll get nerfed more than that tbh

RyzeTheSmurfMageAug 22, 20182 votes

Safe laning? The fuck? He can't even cast a full rotation without running out of mana. Ryze IS supposed to have a very strong lategame, that's his purpose.

RyzeTheSmurfMageAug 22, 20183 votes

Nvm I think Ik what you're trying to say. He is hard to gank against that's true. But in 1v1 lanes he gets countered by 90% of the assasins (that btw dominate midlane and have the highest pickrates) if they know what they are doing. Also, why can't Riot just change his ult that's the main reason he receives nerfs.

theChibiTinaAug 22, 20182 votes

RIP Ryze. It was good to see you viable again for all of about two seconds and only really in pro play.