Should teemo be refocused to be an ap marksman bot lane?

Hammermancer··3 votes·544 views

Usually i gotta say that teemo isjt a priblem, judt a headache

I have seem a million teemos win lane pretty definitively but i almost never see them contribute to the team on a macro level. By this i mean that teemo basically shuts down his laner and then stops being useful, essentially gsmbling for a stalemate

I think hes too weak and yet also is a poor placement for top lane, but thats his best lane because of his kit

My question is, should they rework hid kit on a smallish scale to make him feel more like an adc, and in a way that would make him more functionally a bot lane adc alternative ad opposed to a top laner's headache

Teemo is honestly a fun champion with an amazing fan base but i gotta say i dont think he's healthy as a top laner because he simply makes people ragequit

Hes too oppressive to most of the generally immobile top laners, and too weak to merot an actual ban, his kit lacks counterplay for many matchups and ususlly just resultd in being forced to wait until you can nuke him down but being denied cs becsuse of his blind and on-hit mechanics early game, and then you just get a smidgenof magic resist and he becomrs nothing more than a joke

But a really unfunny and irritating joke because everywhere you go there are shrooms, too many fucking shrooms to judt drop pinks or use a sweeper

Can you beat a teemo in lane? Yes

Is it enjoyable at all to lane against a teemo? Not really. Even when you stomp the teemo youre still like "dude i fucming hate thisgame right now"

Teemo isnt onfuriating because hes op, hes infuriating because all he seems to represent in a match is a hurdle that you just overcome and a headache overall

My general.idea is to put his on hit damage onto his passive, and make his stealth mechanic an activated ability on his ult, then give him a cap on shrooms but give him them earlier, with less damage, onto his e

And the blind? Im not dure it should function as it does, maybe a slow or something, but him negating an all in from most ad bruisers is sort of.. bleh

I dontthink he belongs top lane, id rather see him as an adc or even regeared as a jungler

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FlyingRoboticCow4 votes

The issue is your seeing the wrong type of teemo a good teemo crushes lane and removes there lane partner from the game by denying farm and once that is taken care of they take the enemy jungler out of the equation by shrooming the hell out of their jungle and taking camps. A good teemo will guarantee you a win of the vision war and given the proper foresight into when a team fight will break out will shroom your team an escape path while ensuring the enemy team can never baron or dragon without your team knowing about it and if the games not going your way he can stall a game giving carries time to catch up. He may not be the strongest team fighter but played properly a good teemo is more than just a headache hes a fucking nightmare.

Hammermancer1 votes

Good point on bad teemos but still the experiemxe of Laning against teemo does seem unnecessarily unpleasant

And its not winming or losing, its just the process

I can enjoy myself getting stomped by a riven

I cant enjoy myself stomping a teemo

Sozan51 votes

Why?

Sujiren1 votes

Well we already have ap marksman in a form of corki.

Hammermancer1 votes

Cprki builds ad he judt deals magoc damage

Mysticman891 votes

If we have a magic damage source, why does it matter what kind of items they build to get it?

Hammermancer1 votes

Item interaction and build potential

Somepme building crit vs someone building ryliandry's

Mysticman891 votes

Ok, then lets back up a bit. Why do we want an 'ap marksman bot lane'?

Typically the reason is because somehow champ select got to the point where the team is all ad and the bot laner wants to choose something to try to balance out damage types. Currently we have corki, and to a lesser extent kog, filling that role, as they provide a good chunk of magic damage. If one wants to ease back off the marksman requirement, then ziggs and morde have been known to be passable in the bot lane role too.

Picking someone into a role for an item interaction seems like it's missing something somewhere along the line. If you want a particular item interaction, theres probably a more broad reason why you want that interaction, at which point there are probably better answers being offered through other existing bot laners (e.g. if you want a reliable slow application, theres ashe).

Hammermancer1 votes

Ok there are four choices, 3 of which are bad choices for ranked

But you have raised my point on the why without me having ever spoken about it in the post

Yeas, if you have a yas mid, an irelia top, and a talon jungle.. then your support decides to go sion.. you should probably consider picking something that will negate the enemy team gtabbing taric and rammus as their last two.picks

Damage type diversity is important, and when you have a series of champions that are problematic such as teemo, kayle, lulu, and others that can build a markman style with high magic damage but are either massive niche picks or so adaptable and strong thst they literally do whatever they want , maybe you cpuld take those champions and reficus their kits in a way thst will give them similar power curce patterns to the majority of marksmen, and turn them into adc equivalents

The adc role always has about four champions that are picked, usuallt its one or two op item interactions and then the rest being countered to them, all will havr approximately the exacy same build when finishes, though there are slme alternative builds the meta generally focuses on one type of adc (crit/lethality/on hit/antitank)

The role is dominated by a series of pick or ban champions so to set spme diversity in the role you could introduce some ap alternatives from the pool of aggravating top lane niche champions

Layle, lulu, teemo, and even orianna would make greay camdidates for this style with extremely minor reworks, whicj would still keep their core style in tact but would put them in a lane where they honestly belong by virtue of their mechanical functionality but simply do not or can not go because of issues eith their current kit incarnation

These champions function well alongside supports and can fill the job description of adcs ij late gamr with the correct build but have a lane phase thst relegates them to top, mid, support, or jungle respectively

By adjusting even just their power curve you can get them into bot lane as viable ap-adcs and get things like being garen against teemo out of your way

hhaavviikk1 votes

if he loses his point & click uncounterable blind then sure

Feed Daddy1 votes

If he was a bottom ad they would remove his blind neuter his damage and increase his range.

Teemo players dont want none dat.

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