What do I do against someone who stays under tower?

LordUrganoth·May 20, 2019·3 votes·4,043 views

Let's assume I play some champion that falls off late game. What the hell can I do against a guy that only sits a mile away from me? If he asks for ganks he will even kill me tot he point he can 1v1 me eventually. As early as this,when I dont even have a lead to extend on other lanes,what are my options? Example: I play a lane bully vs Nasus,he asks for lvl 2 gank and sits with Nasus top a whole minute so he can farm up. WHAT THE HELL DO I DO? I WASTE MY LVL 1/2/3 POWERSPIKE JUST BECAUSE JUNGLER DECIDED TO HOLD HIS HAND??

20 Comments

Clockwork MouseMay 20, 20195 votes

You roam and do other things on the map. If they go to chase you they miss out on CS, so they are pressured to stay there. you can ping your Jg to help you gank mid or invade the enemy jg.

LordUrganothMay 20, 20191 votes

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You roam and do other things on the map. If they go to chase you they miss out on CS, so they are pressured to stay there. you can ping your Jg to help you gank mid or invade the enemy jg.

I'm already satisfied with the detailed answer. However,I lost my tower doing exactly that. Any tips on how to avoid/minimize?

CrystalyskMay 20, 20194 votes

You need to ask your jungle to come and dive early game. Note that you do this only if you know how to dive properly. But that's how you punish players who sit at tower. I stopped playing Vel'koz mid after i hit platinum 1 with a little higher mmr because i was getting dove level 2 literally every game.

Btw forget roaming early game, especially if you play top lane.

RagnaveilMay 20, 20193 votes

Oh yeah, thats a lost cause unless you play a hard shover like Irelia with Sheen Tiamat powerspike. Roaming early at top is a death sentence if you cant do that.

CrystalyskMay 20, 20195 votes

People do not understand the power of a dive well executed. You most likely want to roam only when you hit 6 and you can secure a kill 99% the time. If you roam and fail you most likely give 160g for free to your enemy which is actually more than that because you have to add the exp and gold you miss from cs. In my opinion plates were a mistake, it punishes you twice and make roams so bad in low elo. I think missed exp and gold were a good compromise for a good roam. Now even if you get a kill you are still even with your enemy because he gets a kill worth of gold just by autoing a turret.

RagnaveilMay 20, 20193 votes

Them giving gold was a bad idea.

GorderkillerMay 20, 20192 votes

Towerdiving is stupid, and if your not SMART enough to find those champions with towerdiving playstyles then we can't help you. Tell us what champion your playing, not every champion is made for turret dives jeeze.

Don't you have a call of duty match to get back too?

LordUrganothMay 20, 20191 votes

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Towerdiving is stupid, and if your not SMART enough to find those champions with towerdiving playstyles then we can't help you. Tell us what champion your playing, not every champion is made for turret dives jeeze.

Don't you have a call of duty match to get back too?

playing Olaf. And my main problem is dealing with Nasus. Not because I cant 1v1 this lane. But if he asks for literal babysit.I can't 2v1 this early.

OleandervineMay 20, 20192 votes

That's tough cookies kid. There are tactics that people use to try to dampen their opponent's strong points and exploit their weak points, like how Kayle dissolves like wet toilet paper if you're aggressive against her pre-level 11, or how someone like Nasus can be abused 10 ways till Sunday by a ranged opponent. Don't have a fit over an opponent who's deliberately playing safe when he's doing so to actively avoid your strong time.

youthereMay 20, 20191 votes

Roam.

LordUrganothMay 20, 20192 votes

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Roam.

I don't have a lead to snowball with. I will just lose farm and exp for nothing.

FioraWillCarryMay 20, 20193 votes

If you bounce the wave such that the tower starts hitting the wave but with the enemy minions snagged on your minions, they wave will slow push back to you which gives you plenty of time to do a lot of damage around the map. Then you can come back to a huge wave. If however, you do a clean reset, which is when your minions have been shoved into tower with no enemy minions there, then your next wave will meet the enemy wave in the middle of the lane which means you can lose a wave if your try to roam because a fully reset wave can be pushed into tower a lot faster.

The thigh guyMay 20, 20191 votes

Dive them. Turrets are shit after level 3. They do no damage and 9/10 will just keep shooting minions.

Pika FoxMay 20, 20191 votes

Roam, pressure elsewhere, pressure objectives early.

HammermancerMay 20, 20191 votes

Shove him in enough to go steal an enemy jg camp or drop a ward, bonus for a buff or a scuttle since they're super beneficial

start bming his jungler if you can, and convince your jungle to make a play mid or bot to get tower+dragon

Do a tele gank!

roam mid

Act like you're backing and wait for him to push up, then kill from behind

C0NCH0BARMay 20, 20191 votes

You keep good vision and conserve mana. You can then harass while they try to farm under the tower. Both those sources of pressure can lead to a CS lead and hopefully you can waste the enemies junglers time with retreating with your good vision while your ally jungler snowballs other lanes, counter jungles, or counter ganks. You got this [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

ChaosReynMay 20, 20191 votes

what you have to do in that situation is pretty much shove the first two waves super hard, then when his tower takes out all the minions and the wave is more or less reset you your side by waves 3 and 4, literally do nothing but last hit. It basically forces him to come away from turret if he wants exp, and if his jungler is trying to hold his hand and gank for him at that point, they're gonna shove the wave to your side where you're even safer and probably die trying to dive you if you don't just immediately give up a sum. Junglers are naturally pretty greedy - they will almost certainly dive you if you hold flash at half hp.

Darkdemon653May 20, 20191 votes

Against Nasus specifically, you don't push him under his tower. You zone him off the wave and only last hit. In your example, your jungler should have gone top as well and then invaded.

AncientDewMay 21, 20191 votes

You freeze the wave the best you can and get a massive gold and xp advantage. It doesn’t matter if your a mid game champ and their a late game champ if you have a 50+ cs advantage on them. As for ganks you should be watching the map. Extend when you see the enemy jungle is bot, when you have vision top side, or when your jungle is top and can counter gank. That vast majority of the time one of these things will be true. If non of them are true then you play conservatively until one of them becomes true.