I found out how to deal with Zed

LordUrganoth·May 27, 2019·19 votes·12,254 views

I don't know if it works just on Lux,because it;s the only champion I experimented with,but in 3 games where I played vs Zed,I felt absolutely no pressure from him. 1)Get Boneplating - Assuming you only get hit by ShadowE + Shadow Q+ Zed Q,this should be the rune to reduce his poke damage,thus his ult damage too. 2) Get 3 doran rings (or other doran items) so you dont have mana problems and get some health before Zhonya. 3)zhonya. At this point,you are at 0 risk to get killed by him unless 2 other lanes assist him.

Try this out,and let me know some results. Hope it helped!

109 Comments

Zed geniusMay 27, 20199 votes

Or Get 1 cloth armor in lane.

xDogMeatxMay 27, 201915 votes

lol armor doesnt help at all only zhonyas effect "at will" only real counter. i was talon i tried the "get armor" suggestion it doesnt work. now if you go full on damage at least you can stop him after zhonyas his damage. damage is the REAL armor in this game.

Zed geniusMay 27, 20193 votes

Even from the opponent's prespective, whenever I lane against Zed personally I never die to him in lane. Since I am not even that good at the game, this should mean something

LordUrganothMay 27, 20196 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7YqsqsAr,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-27T13:06:13.363+0000)

Even from the opponent's prespective, whenever I lane against Zed personally I never die to him in lane. Since I am not even that good at the game, this should mean something

dont be this dry,at least tell us how you avoid death vs Zed and keeping up in farm,map pressure.

Zed geniusMay 28, 20191 votes

22 seconds W cd. You poke the shit out of him when he uses it for like 20 seconds. Nothing Zed can do. No, he can't flash and one shot you level 3. Get 1 cloth armor if you are still struggling and it will make the job easier. Constantly shove in and ward the lane. This will make him have to use his spells on the wave, thus making you not lose hp. If he doesn't, he has to stay in tower giving you full lane control. This is basic shit right here versus any mid laner with a strong early game. If you are playing no waveclear mid, just farm under tower and ping the shit out of your team when zed goes missing. They will probably not listen and int but generally speaking that's what you should do.

MoonscourgeMay 27, 20193 votes

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lol armor doesnt help at all only zhonyas effect "at will" only real counter. i was talon i tried the "get armor" suggestion it doesnt work. now if you go full on damage at least you can stop him after zhonyas his damage. damage is the REAL armor in this game.

You're 100% wrong and that's really sad because the boards just jerk each other off about this.

JonesybonesMay 27, 20192 votes

Armor actually helps alot. Ir reduces his dmg by alot. If you don't have armor you are going to pop like a balloon when your zonya's is on CD

xDogMeatxMay 27, 20191 votes

Not really I mean sure armguard takes care of poke but after that you need like a frozen heart or deadman to stop his damage.

JonesybonesMay 27, 20192 votes

It actually does. and it all depends on what lane you are playing. Mid all you need is a zonyas really for team fights. If you position yourself correctly, you can take 0 poke from zed. the only reason a zed would poke you is because he is a better laner.

xDogMeatxMay 28, 20191 votes

W shadow range enhancer E instant slow plus Q shuriken doesn't really do me any favors in dodging his poke it's almost as if it's absolutely intended to hit no matter what. Plus his unlimited mana (yes I know it's capped) doesn't do me any favors as a mage.

JonesybonesMay 28, 20191 votes

Its not because I have no problem dodging a the tornadoes and positioning my self so he can't get in my face, and again His E only works if he is near minions. It doesn't slow.

xDogMeatxMay 28, 20191 votes

Enemies hit by a Zed's Shadow Shadow's Shadow Slash are Slow icon slowed for 1.5 seconds.

https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Zed/Abilities

the slow isnt really helping me. it seems to make Q never miss a thing. it basically punishes you for playing the game.

JonesybonesMay 28, 20191 votes

oh whoops wrong thread was taking about yasuo. his abilities are skill shots. you have to know the range of his shadow. Zed's not hard to lane against.

xDogMeatxMay 28, 20191 votes

how do you guess his range safely without being at hardcore risk of damage?

JonesybonesMay 28, 20191 votes

play the champion. or go into bots or practice. One key skill is knowing your champions limitations. The only way to learn any champ to play or play against them multiple times/

xDogMeatxMay 28, 20191 votes

what if im garbage with said champ and didnt learn anything from it.

JonesybonesMay 28, 20191 votes

you don't have to be good with zed to learn zeds abilities. just play him bots a few times.

LordUrganothMay 27, 201912 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7YqsqsAr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-27T12:37:34.634+0000)

Or Get 1 cloth armor in lane.

I feel like just 1 cloth armor is awkwardly lackluster vs a guy with no mana that overkills carries.

The thigh guyMay 27, 20196 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7YqsqsAr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-27T12:37:34.634+0000)

Or Get 1 cloth armor in lane.

Yes. Buy the actual worst stat in the game, sacrificing all mid game power just to die anyways because Lul me zed.

MoonscourgeMay 27, 20194 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7YqsqsAr,comment-id=00010004,timestamp=2019-05-27T15:31:54.700+0000)

Yes. Buy the actual worst stat in the game, sacrificing all mid game power just to die anyways because Lul me zed.

"sacrificing mid game power", you mean 300g that would MAKE YOU STAY ALIVE are a loss of power??? Newsflash: You gain more gold ane EXP than you would if you were fucking dead because you're a greedy player that doesn't adapt their item builds, then runs to the gameplay boards crying how there is 0 counterplay to anything.

ZardoMay 27, 20194 votes

That 300 gold isn't going to save you from an all in. It negates the lethality, sure, but lethality isn't the only thing duskblade offers.

MoonscourgeMay 27, 20193 votes

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That 300 gold isn't going to save you from an all in. It negates the lethality, sure, but lethality isn't the only thing duskblade offers.

Armor reduces any physical damage. A 300 gold item negating a 1100g purchase is extremely efficient. At the point where he has Duskblade you're supposed to have Armguard + the 2 components for your Chapter item.

ZardoMay 27, 20192 votes

At this point you're not going to be able to do anything besides let the assassin roam because you still can't trade against them unless they mess up bigtime, and you can't match their waveclear because mana costs, so you're at the mercy of your jg + other lanes to listen to your pings, which never really happens.

MoonscourgeMay 28, 20191 votes

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At this point you're not going to be able to do anything besides let the assassin roam because you still can't trade against them unless they mess up bigtime, and you can't match their waveclear because mana costs, so you're at the mercy of your jg + other lanes to listen to your pings, which never really happens.

What you're saying is... you're awful so you concede the lane because omg assassins are broken? Because in no world would whatever you're describing be the norm.

ZardoMay 28, 20191 votes

No. What I'm saying is that in certain matchups you have to concede around certain powerspikes(namely duskblade) so they dont get fed off of you.

Ahri BakaMay 27, 20199 votes

Good luck carrying after this

SaiannaMay 27, 20195 votes

Carrying? As a mage? In 2019? What are you.. Insane? He'd have to build AD to be able to carry as a mage.

(unless we are talking about magey-assassins)

FlashesMay 27, 20194 votes

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Carrying? As a mage? In 2019? What are you.. Insane? He'd have to build AD to be able to carry as a mage.

(unless we are talking about magey-assassins)

Glacial Augment Veigar says hello.

Zone mage becomes stun + Slow machine it's insane. Not to mention he doesn't need the AP from things like Luden anyway, as Hextech GLP still gives a lot of mana, making him sacrifice some inconsistent damage for the consistency of the GLP and its slow.

Trist mid opopMay 28, 20191 votes

Nashors tooth lichbane veigar*

AlzonMay 29, 20191 votes

Milkbuild Veigar*

SovereignMammalMay 28, 20193 votes

4 of the 5 S+ tier mid laners are mages though?

CowseedMay 27, 20193 votes

You don't have to carry. Starving your enemy laner, especially a kill dependent one, and providing utility is enough to win.

SirHydroMay 29, 20191 votes

Tell me how Boneplating 3 doran rings Lux stops Zed from roaming top or bot.

D357R0Y3RMay 27, 20195 votes

Zilean

LordUrganothMay 27, 20195 votes

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Zilean won't be near you literarly every time Zed ults. And if you're suggesting Zilean mid,the tips I gave were more general than that. You can do those with any champion. -ish.

D357R0Y3RMay 27, 20192 votes

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Zilean won't be near you literarly every time Zed ults. And if you're suggesting Zilean mid,the tips I gave were more general than that. You can do those with any champion. -ish.

No I'm not talking about zilean support

Zilean mid is just the most perfect pick against zed mid

SaiannaMay 27, 20195 votes

So you halt your damage by about 15 minutes so Zed wouldn't kill you while he gets all the cash and will slaugher whoever he ganks either way?

I mean sure, if thats viable, great, but being forced to build defensively just because enemy picked Zed is just BS design.

If you build damage and die = he wins if you build defense = he ties in lane, gets better CS AND can still gank other lanes without issues = he wins

FioraWillCarryMay 28, 20191 votes

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SaiannaMay 28, 20191 votes

No. If Anything it's Zed mains who have this attitude. They do not have to bother about anything cause they have the freedom of building whatever they want.

Anyone dealing against Zed is being forced to play as safely as they possibly can. Only because other side is Zed.

It's quite rare to see such a logic-fk-ery you pulled off here.

Daddy AntsMay 27, 20194 votes

I found out how to deal with Zed too.

item 3191 summoner 21

CowseedMay 27, 20194 votes

Thank you for posting gameplay tips instead of pretending your some balancing guru with a PhD in game development

CasterGilgameshMay 27, 20193 votes

buying item 3157 would be nice if it weren't for the fact he doesnt need Ult to Kill mages, and if your going to make the excuse that armor will stop him his passive deals a lot of damage in its own right which is magic damage plus he builds leathality items like item 3142 item 3147 . that just negates most of the pluses from building it and unless you plan to build item 3047 then hour glass is the only armor that mage will build.also you can push him into his tower as a mage to deny him farm but thats suicide for mages since junglers will just camp.Even if you dont feed him kills he just out roams you and gets fed from the other laners who dont meticulously play around one champion from another lane.

JJI744May 27, 20192 votes

OK, haven't played in ages, so take things with a grain of salt.

But if you have gone defense tree, triple dorans, and hourglass, then you have lost already. At that point you have given up way too much damage/CDR/mana sustain to ever be able to put out even a modicum of pressure. So Zed gets to ignore you, and freely roam bot/top. As a bonus, your build has been so hamstringed that you will be a non factor outside of your Q CC until about 30 minutes, and frankly, most games are closing out by that point.

Purple AngelMay 27, 20192 votes

I just run exhaust..... easy lane

Slack KingMay 27, 20192 votes

Sylas just run at him Tristana all in him lvl 2 Mordekaiser shove him in and punish if he fights you Annie Just hit all your buttons Chogath land 1 knockup and delete him Vladimir pool his ult Fizz pole his ult Talon Just all in him whenever you feel like it Irelia Mash Q ETC He has a strong outplay kit, but he isnt unstoppable.

Pierce The VealMay 29, 20192 votes

A lot of the replies to this pretty much read: “Oh no! We would have to actually change how we play the game! In a way that would outright turn a even/losing matchup into a winning matchup! That’s horrible! Actually building a semblance of defense against an assassin will completely cripple me!”

Though the 3 doran’s rings isn’t a great idea, the rest of the post is fair. And double doran’s rings is/was fairly standard on some champions. Corrupting pot plus a couple dark seals is also a valid build, though with less health and more sustain.

The real good suggestion here is the boneplating. That legitimately cripples zed’s damage. It’s the part of the reason why aftershock lissandra was so good. The aftershock+boneplating made her outright unkillable by most midlaners.

SaezioMay 27, 20191 votes

corrupting into dark seal into seekers is better than 3 dorans no?

TekkenPlayerMay 27, 20192 votes

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corrupting into dark seal into seekers is better than 3 dorans no?

yeah this is way better than taking 3 dorans. Having revitalize and a competent jungler also helps if the zed is W,E,Q happy

LordUrganothMay 27, 20192 votes

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corrupting into dark seal into seekers is better than 3 dorans no?

any specific runes you take? or just your normal runes+build order mentioned above. Won't you have trouble clearing waves?

SaezioMay 27, 20192 votes

I am only comparing the items tbh.

but since you ask, I like biscuits with stopwatch rune. And of course 2 armor shards. Barrier or TP since you ain't gonna be looking for the 1v1 all in.

Wave clearing is fine, if the zed is stupid enough to be shoving every wave you just tell the jg to hover river on a CW and wait for the dumbass to blow the W and kill him before he gets energy back. Corrupting is also great for early levels to harass with ranged autos