How long is Jax gonna be allowed to be this opressive?

TrikzterzArma·Sep 21, 2018·83 votes·15,913 views

There's literally no counter to him and his fucking E. Such an unfun champ to play against. Far worse than Yasuo

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KVbqbFsC8eSep 21, 201829 votes

I don't see him as being too oppressive, but to answer your question- as long as conqueror exists.

AhpeSep 21, 201826 votes

#Iron Post

TrikzterzArmaSep 21, 201829 votes

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That comment makes no sense. If motherfucking Yorick can get nerfed because he is to good at low ranks, why can't Jax?

AhpeSep 21, 201812 votes

Unlike other divers Jax is easily kiteable unless you fuck up and feed him. Just use the time you can't AA him during his E to get away from the stun and destroy the bitch

PhearBunnySep 22, 201822 votes

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Unlike other divers Jax is easily kiteable unless you fuck up and feed him. Just use the time you can't AA him during his E to get away from the stun and destroy the bitch

how do you kite that which kills you in one hit. Because.....somehow he is a Godtier assassin while building bruiser....because...balanced???

AhpeSep 22, 20183 votes

Video evidence?

PhearBunnySep 22, 201822 votes

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Video evidence?

Really?...have you never been Q E'd by a trinity force, Titanic hydra jax? Unless youre a pure tank or have Zhonyas prepared, you instantly die. Oh and in the event that you are a pure tank, Luckily not only is Jax a godtier assassin(while building brusier) hes also a god tier sustained damage dealer(while building bruiser) and will anally decimate your pure tank in less than 4seconds. Lets not even talk about how he is also a Godtier tank(while building bruiser).

Arcane Blue BoiSep 22, 20185 votes

Dont bother with people asking for video evidence, they know they arent worth the work of putting together a video for them for their little ass to watch and so they expect to win the argument on ''you better waste an hour getting me a video of something i've clearly experienced or you've lost the argument bud :^)''

BrunhildeSep 22, 20183 votes

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how do you kite that which kills you in one hit. Because.....somehow he is a Godtier assassin while building bruiser....because...balanced???

I love how people are like ohh bait out his counter strike. OK he just walks away and wont fight. Sweet how do you beat that you cant get close because he has a jump. He has gotta be bad for you to beat him. By bad I mean he literately has have no hands

SwiftKitten88Sep 22, 20185 votes

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Unlike other divers Jax is easily kiteable unless you fuck up and feed him. Just use the time you can't AA him during his E to get away from the stun and destroy the bitch

yeah.. easily kiteable until you get within summoner 4 Q range of him

which btw is 6 SECOND COOLDOWN at max rank and 700 range

want to know what else is a 6 second cooldown? Nidalee pounce

so don't give me shit about him being "immobile" and "easily kitable"

he is just as "immobile" as Nidalee is and his countersrike is only 8 second

so with cdr that is like 3.5 and 5 second he also has a hard CC and is completely immune to every damn thing while also being able to attack

RanmaruSep 23, 20181 votes

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yeah.. easily kiteable until you get within Q range of him

which btw is 6 SECOND COOLDOWN at max rank and 700 range

want to know what else is a 6 second cooldown? pounce

so don't give me shit about him being "immobile" and "easily kitable"

he is just as "immobile" as is and his countersrike is only 8 second

so with cdr that is like 3.5 and 5 second he also has a hard CC and is completely immune to every damn thing while also being able to attack

Jax has to target something tho so he cant say YE EEEEET

SwiftKitten88Sep 23, 20181 votes

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Jax has to target something tho so he cant say YE EEEEET

yeah.. that would be you...

seeing as i only care what he can do to me when he close enough to make be start getting the hell out of there.

also just to point out... unless nid lands her spear.. her pounce range is 375, not 750 and not unit targeted which means your still going to be in auto attack range of every non- melee champ in the game.

so when you "jax has to target something" good for him.. i have to LAND A SKILLSHOT before i can even "target something"

AirKingNeoSep 22, 20189 votes

because RIot is stupid for nerfing Yorick?

Jax is fine and doesn't need changes.

GayFluffyUnicornSep 22, 20182 votes

Why should any champ be nerfed because of low elo? "competitive game btw"

3TWarriorSep 22, 20181 votes

because riot disclosed information on yorick that apparently, he had almost a 60% average winrate in up to silver due to recent "changes" in the game

even so, that's kind of his thing. He wins by pressuring objectives and has almost no teamfight potential without his ultimate

KadexeSep 22, 20181 votes

Because Jax isn't as good in low ranks as Yorick was.

BestPudgeNASep 22, 20185 votes

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#Iron Post

We can't all be challenged tier players like you man.

ShadWoooSep 21, 201821 votes

Seriously who isn't opressive in this season now? Thanks to all the extra damage from runes, buffed ignite, lower resistances (for mages especially) the snowball starts with one kill and xp lead and it is almost impossible to turn it around or outscale (unless low elo where players don't know how to end).

I agree Jax is currently one of the strongest champions as he has good damage, survivalability and can deal well with assassins who are played now in almost every lane now. But this all is indirect issue and the problem lies in new runes and nerfs and buffs not in champions.

SaibboSep 22, 20184 votes

is currently one of the strongest champions as he has good damage, survivalability and can deal well with assassins

described 80% of the champions played in this meta

TrikzterzArmaSep 21, 201810 votes

And I get downvoted, typical the boards

FatedSaviourSep 22, 201815 votes

PhearBunnySep 22, 20187 votes

The reality is, Jax is one of those champs where there is no real counterplay. The counterplay is hoping he overestimates himself, overextends and gets caught in a 1v4, where your team can then collapse on objectives while his broken ass is dead.

AirKingNeoSep 22, 20189 votes

#How about manage the minion wave properly so you don't fight him with his passive stacked up?

PopcornBunniSep 22, 20184 votes

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#How about manage the minion wave properly so you don't fight him with his passive stacked up?

"Just control minion wave against the character that free pushes without consequence"

Good one man hahaha

AirKingNeoSep 22, 20186 votes

"Just control minion wave against the character that free pushes without consequence"

Champions who are forced to constantly pushed have the inherit weakness of needing to constantly push. It means they're always in range for abilities and always have the longest trip back into safety. Most of all, it is harder for them to freeze and manage the wave (because they are too busy clearing, see: Kayle).

DisembarkSep 22, 20183 votes

Yes, but remember that MOST (4/5 players), are NOT laning against Jax. They are dealing with him 15/20+ min into the game when he usually has Tiamat and probably trinity. At that point, realistically, you cannot stop him from AFK shoving.

Best case scenario you chunk him for like 15% of his health, worst case he jumps on you and kills you.

AirKingNeoSep 22, 20181 votes

Yes, you can play around him. You have abilities too.

delete shacoSep 22, 20186 votes

Play literally anyone that’s ranged and can dash, rip Jax for the entire game

GrãñðmãstêrShãçøSep 22, 20182 votes

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Play literally anyone that’s ranged and can dash, rip Jax for the entire game

cough quinn, teemo cough

SaezioSep 22, 20182 votes

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cough quinn, teemo cough

lucian, vayne also destroy him in lane.

WiegrafOfValorSep 22, 20184 votes

The fact that Jax can Auto you with E on is the most broken sht ever in my opinion.

Rıots Bad ClientSep 22, 20182 votes

I dont find that broken, What makes his E broken is hes not hindered by it.

Shen has his W that blocks auto attacks, and can auto during it.

What makes it really broken, is that 1.you are rewarded for autoing once, and then agro the creep way so that your E damage is increase, 2. You can perform every action without it affecting your E and Vise-versa 3. has a 25 Dmg reduction from area of effect abilities. 4. its on a 16/14/12/10/8 Cd while shen's is on a 18/16.5/15/13.5 /12 (however its pretty unfair to compare the abilites. but I feel like jaxes is really over loaded for a cd like that; Also the Dodge lasts longer on jax) 5. And after all that, there is a stun at the end. (also its not a channel and cant be interrupted)

I find it completely overloaded. LIke why does he need the 25% dmg reduction and, why does it do more damage because of the creeps?

WiegrafOfValorSep 22, 20182 votes

I disagree with you, if he wasn't able to AA you during his E, a Jax player would need to think about when and how to use it.

He would have to time it in order to negate maybe a Trinity proc, an AA reset, or an AA buffer. Now he just needs to jump on you whenever is off cooldown. If you're playing an AA reliant champion, your only option is to run, you cannot even wait his E to go out and sidestep the stun, because chances are he's going to kill you before that.

What I'm saying here is that, if he couldn't AA while channeling his E, he would be easier to balance.

You mentioned Shen, but his skill have requirements that Shen is balanced around, the W is cast around his Passive, so you can't walk wherever you want with it, that means your enemies can choose to move away from your W and you can either stay on you W to avoid damage or chase and lose the W.

Rıots Bad ClientSep 22, 20182 votes

And I would disagree. What you you say came to happen, It would become the most out of place ability. -His passive relies on auto attacking stacking. (Passive) -you got one ability that applies on hit When Hit (Q) -another that enhances his Auto, (W) -and his ults passive gives him on hit dmg (R)

... and you want him to stop autoing. During his E.

Personally, I dont think that would help that champion. It would just delete him. His Kit theme is Auto attacking. Becomes the auto king, By autoing, while dodging autos.

I see you want that ability be turned more into a Defensive ability. meaning he'd need to build tank, but lets face it. every tank has a much better kit than he does when it comes to tanking.

I'll purpose a bunch of nerfs purpose a nerf that effects the way his ability works.

Like making his E into a sort of channel(Currently his E isnt a channel) so stuns, knockups, silences would make him drop his E if he misuses it. (However doing so would kill him of any chance for team fighting)
Making is so that his E doesn't increase in damage when Minions attack him reducing his trading game more fair. (and have it so that it that damage increases from jung creeps so he can jungle with it. (However doing this, would only make him hurt his early game, and only would still become a moster IF He does reach to late.)
When his E is up, he drops his 'guard' making Abilities deal bonus damage to him. (you can compensate for this nerf, by increasing the damage he takes into damage he deals.)

4)Or We can look at his mobility. (Eamples: :Disable his Q when you are in the State of E (I'd say let him have the Flash E tho) :Blitz crank it, And Reduce his movement speed while hes in the state of his E.

Numbers. Easy stuff, Increase the CD, Increase the mana cost, Reduce the scaling, reduce the stun radius

SaezioSep 22, 20182 votes

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And I would disagree. What you you say came to happen, It would become the most out of place ability. -His passive relies on auto attacking stacking. (Passive) -you got one ability that applies on hit When Hit (Q) -another that enhances his Auto, (W) -and his ults passive gives him on hit dmg (R)

... and you want him to stop autoing. During his E.

Personally, I dont think that would help that champion. It would just delete him. His Kit theme is Auto attacking. Becomes the auto king, By autoing, while dodging autos.

I see you want that ability be turned more into a Defensive ability. meaning he'd need to build tank, but lets face it. every tank has a much better kit than he does when it comes to tanking.

I'll purpose a bunch of nerfs purpose a nerf that effects the way his ability works.

Like making his E into a sort of channel(Currently his E isnt a channel) so stuns, knockups, silences would make him drop his E if he misuses it. (However doing so would kill him of any chance for team fighting)

Making is so that his E doesn't increase in damage when Minions attack him reducing his trading game more fair. (and have it so that it that damage increases from jung creeps so he can jungle with it. (However doing this, would only make him hurt his early game, and only would still become a moster IF He does reach to late.)

When his E is up, he drops his 'guard' making Abilities deal bonus damage to him. (you can compensate for this nerf, by increasing the damage he takes into damage he deals.)

4)Or We can look at his mobility. (Eamples: :Disable his Q when you are in the State of E (I'd say let him have the Flash E tho) :Blitz crank it, And Reduce his movement speed while hes in the state of his E.

Numbers. Easy stuff, Increase the CD, Increase the mana cost, Reduce the scaling, reduce the stun radius

His Q does not apply on hit. How do you type such a wall of text and don't know this. It only gets buffed by W if you for some reason use W into Q instead of Q auto w

Summonah12369Sep 22, 20184 votes

Hop > CC > beat the shit out of you > run away with 10% of your hp.

RedCycloneSep 22, 20184 votes

I personally hate how he seems to be the only champion to solo carry

I get a Jax on the enemy team and I know I am in for a nightmare, my assigned feeders will make him a god and he will literally roll over the game on his own

I mean solo carries are good and all, but you stripped everyone elses ability to solo carry, but Jax And that's why I ban him every game now

Every champion has a answer when they are fed, but Jax, he builds basically full ad with a few HP items and suddenly you are against Cho tier HP and Yi tier damage...

deltemp951512Sep 22, 20184 votes

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There's literally no counter to him and his fucking E.

Poppy

Slim GragasSep 22, 20183 votes

Threads talking about nerfing just one champion won't do it, this whole season is fucked there needs to be a lot of balance changes, champions have become broken for a variety of reasons and not just because of their kits.

DragonSheaSep 22, 20182 votes

If damage was lower overall then Jax would be balanced a sustained dps, but because of the burst meta we are in, item 3057 and empower makes his burst damage is lethal while he can avoid burst damage used against him. He is just too strong in this meta and that bitch Hashinshin had the nerve to bitch about this.

Z3SleeperSep 22, 20181 votes

I’ve been wondering, why is Sheen/Triforce feeling a lot more bursty than before? The numbers haven’t shifted at all but for some reason the damage feels stronger.

Maybe it’s just a lack of people building defense in this burst or be bursted meta, idk.

ZeromatsuSep 22, 20183 votes

because riot increased base ad on a lot of champions while decreasing their base armor when changing masterys...

More base ad = more damage Less armor = more damage

xxx6Wizard9xxxSep 22, 20182 votes

Rework his QE free dodge - brainless to use stun you most cant dodge. He has tanky stats on ultimate why does have to be immune to basic attacks and free reduce dmg from aoe spells.

Add92Sep 22, 20182 votes

People saying Jax is fine are borderline delusional .

How many smurfs have I seen abusing Jax to reach masters fast ? way too many , same as khazix or rengar , because they are braindead champion that one shots. If he loses lane , he'll just afk split until he has 3 items and well guess what , it's as if he never lost lane :D

why ? because even in diamond , a decent human being with a brain and that mains jax , will booty blast everything in sight .

People saying he doesn't need nerfs are mostly jax players .

I don't have a particular issue with him as I know how to handle him , but the issue is , my diamond teammates don't know how to not feed a jax , so jax gets fed , until i can't handle him anymore :))))))