Let Level 30 Players Create Level 20 Smurfs

BananaJannana··69 votes·3,725 views

THE IDEA: Level 30 players can make 1 smurf account that start at Level 20. These smurfs should be linked to the original account so they cannot be given to friends.

The grind from 1-30 shouldn't be filled with smurfs who are crushing newbie players and ruining their experience. However, Level 30 players who want a fresh start have no option except to start from Level 1 and grind (Some of them buy accounts online, but that's against the rules).

I currently play with more smurfs than newbies. I'm actually surprised when I see a new player in my games, because they're so rare. Based on that experience, let me say: they aren't having fun. They're getting curb-stomped by smurfs and being flamed at for being bad, even though they have no control over their situation.

With this idea, new players (From 1-20) will enjoy games with other new players, and smurfs can enjoy a shorter grind to 30.

89 Comments

Xealyth9 votes

I like this idea. The smurf's could also be priority queue'd with other smurfs, based on the account MMR. ...Which would defeat the purpose of smurfs... which is to play with lower elo players and usually dominate. Smurfs are a touchy subject that really shouldn't be Riot's focus right now, at least not a top priority one.

BananaJannana5 votes

I think they're already doing the priority queue thing, I get matched with other smurfs quite a lot.

Leonerdo5 votes

Firstly, so we're on the same page, this is how smurfs are currently handled (I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure): New accounts all start at level 1, with the same very low MMR (I think we agree this is a problem). Then, smurfs should win very easily their first few games. There is a system to detect this. Accounts that are stomping their first games are put on a fast track to higher MMR. Pretty quickly, (let's say by lvl 10), most smurfs have been identified by the system, their MMR has been raised drastically, and they should be playing with only other smurfs (or really good newbies).

So on to your solution. I think you have a really good idea of what the problems with smurfing are, as well as the benefits (the reasons people do it). And I think your solution is on the right track - let people smurf, but make the skill difference of new accounts less stupidly skewed. But the thing that curates skill differences isn't level; it's MMR. And the problem is most severe during those first few games when every new account's MMR is the same.

Therefore, I think your solution would be better if these "legit" Smurfs also recieved a starting MMR that is based on their main account's MMR. (I like the "less grinding time" thing, so this would be in addition to the level 20 start.) It would probably be best if this new starting MMR were a bit lower than the main account's (like the soft reset at the beginning of ranked seasons), because people usually smurf to goof around or play with their less-skilled friends. That is, not many people play their best while smurfing, so their smurf MMR should be lower.

Now, there are still other problems with smurfing. For instance, people making a new account, playing like trash on purpose up to lvl 30, then using it to boost their friends in ranked. But your solution at least solves somes of the problems with the more benign smurfs. I like it. I really hope Riot takes note of this thread. [slayer-jinx-catface]

Oh and sorry for all the parentheses, it's just how I think.

Cookimonster3164 votes

How would IP work for this though? Would you start with 0 or like 10000 OR would you have all the champions of your main account

ntbcool4 votes

It's so stupid when people make polls that imply something incorrect when you select the answer that is different from the poll makers answer. Doing that is a very bad habit that people have, so I'll just downvote (yes this is the situation that downvoting is supposed to be used for) and leave.

SpookyNeedle3 votes

Only problem is that it encourages smurfing

BananaJannana5 votes

But it improves the experience of new players

Mr Fidori5 votes

But the current problem with smurfing is that it ruins the new player experience. By doing this, and potentially matching smurfs with other smurfs, it simply means having a second account, which I don't think is so bad.

bony whimsark3 votes

How about you wait your queue time and stop whining. If that's not the issue than just don't play with your friends. Do you think Ronaldo enters his nephew's house league soccer match? No. If that's not the issue than practice your mechanics in a normal game. Playing against less skilled players only harms yourself as you will develop bad habits and do things that only work against bronzies in your next plat ranked match.

Pika Fox2 votes

Dont play with friends? Then why even bother playing LoL at all?

bony whimsark1 votes

Uh there are lots of reasons to play lol without friends amigo

Pika Fox1 votes

No, there isnt. The vast majority of players play LoL in normals and with friends. Youd be throwing out the vast majority of the playerbase with your suggested change.

At that point, you might as well develop AI games and make LoL a single player game. It will have better luck than what youre suggesting.

I Am Luxanna2 votes

I find it ironic that ur bronze v.

bony whimsark1 votes

I don't see the irony because you smurfs roflstomp me and therefore I am discontent

I Am Luxanna1 votes

i dont know anybody that would willingly smurf in bronze. Mine typically floats around 2-3 divisions lower than my main in order to determine problems I may have myself by looking at players only slighty worse than me. I've lost plenty of games on my smurf.

bony whimsark1 votes

points at yasuo smurfs making YouTube montages against "diamond+" players

dominusx1 votes

if you are bronze you suck simple.nobody smurfs in bronze cause nobody with a brain can go 0-10 in placements to end bronze unless they reverse boost for some crazy stats on a specific champ aka the teemo main with 80% win ratio over 400games he reverse boosts with voli and heim and wins with teemo

bony whimsark1 votes

I've had people smurf in bronze 5 so they can play ADC crit Vel'Koz or something stupid

Twerk a Fish1 votes

I think you're bronze because you suck not because "smurfs roflstomp you".

bony whimsark1 votes

I never said I was bronze because smurfs roflstomp me. I said I was unhappy when smurfs (most likely bronze 1 instead of bronze 5 lmao) beat me and I acknowledge my lack of skill

Twerk a Fish1 votes

You said you're bronze V and can't leave that elo because smurfs beat you. ROFL. you're delusional if you don't understand that high elo smurfs never end up in bronze (unless intentionally losing games). Also, your ranked win % is barely 30%. You're awful man.

bony whimsark1 votes

Please show me where I said I am In bronze 5 only because of smurfs and would be silver otherwise. I don't think you will find anything, in fact I actually acknowledged my lack of skill in reply to your earlier comment

Cressalia3 votes

Except Riot has stated many times they DO NOT like smurfs. Doing this would compromise their stance on the matter, and, once again, make them the tyrannical hypocrites everyone thinks they are.

Twerk a Fish1 votes

they don't like when people boost with smurfs, but they give 0 fucks about DQ...

Also they said they don't like people intentionally losing games to do "bronze V to challenger" series. They don't mind you making a new account to just casually grind to 30 again and then start climbing ladder normally.

Cressalia1 votes

Riot does not like smurfs in general.

Yes, they cracked down on the Wood V to Challenjour because it was skewing placement numbers. Boosting is a different matter than smurfs entirely. People boost all kinds of accounts, pros would pay people to level, etc.

You can see some stances Here

Reaper Soraka3 votes

pretty bias poll you have there, with no real way for someone to elaborate their choice.

Their system is supposed to detect whether you're a smurf or not in your first couple games, and set you with and against other smurfs.

Edit: Ever seen those political ads that have polls like:

"Would you vote for Obama or McCain?" 1: I would vote for McCain because I want America to be a great, successful country! 2: I would vote for Obama because I want to see the United States go to war and kill all of our children overseas!

The poll is too bias toward one side, and is a complete waste of effort to anyone who hasn't been practically brainwashed beforehand.

That's what it feels like, anyways.

The Lexer1 votes

Yet over 20% of people still said they would rather smash newbies, which is still too high imo

Dr Poro2 votes

No, they simply voted against the idea.

Reaper Soraka1 votes

they didn't get a proper option for no, which causes inaccuracy of real reasons..

Treeofwar2 votes

how does this solve the smurf thing? i can still just make a new account

BananaJannana5 votes

You can, but only if you want to waste time going up to level 20.

How it solves smurfing: You don't need to grind from 1-20 anymore, and you will also reach 30 sooner. The REAL new players can spend their level 1-20 playing with other new players.

specter4242 votes

as if smurfs are a problem just for new players

HackProof2 votes

Man, I played with this tri-que asshole premades.

All 3 said they were smurfing, 2 of them I believe was silver in a mid to upper gold ranked game.

They number 1, Sucked balls

Number 2, Was super toxic

Number 3, Trash talked me and top laner who wasn't in the que with them, when I and top lane carried them.

Man I hate smurfs so much holy crap.

Lexyy2 votes

Why on earth would you think smurfing is acceptable?? It's not, and nothing can justify that. Play on your main account, I don't care if your real division is destroying you and making it hard for you to climb. Smurfs are ruining the game for other 9 players, and I'm sick of losing against a diamond player playing on silver accounts.

Verdade1 votes

Smurfing is acceptable in some cases: Long queue times at high MMR: I want to play the game, not to wait 30 minutes or even more for a game. Learning new role/mechanically difficult champion: Try playing first time Azir in ranked, i dare you :) Or try to jungle for the first time in diamond.

Lexyy1 votes

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Smurfing is acceptable in some cases: Long queue times at high MMR: I want to play the game, not to wait 30 minutes or even more for a game. Learning new role/mechanically difficult champion: Try playing first time Azir in ranked, i dare you :) Or try to jungle for the first time in diamond.

What kind of player are you if you're in diamond and have never tried playing as a jungler??? LOL That's gotta be a joke, man. Learn on bots or skip the bots and just go on normal. Ranked isn't the only game type you can play.

Verdade1 votes

Okay, so let me clarify. I can play support/mid VK, solo lane AD Ez, Jungle/top Sion, Jungle Poppy very well, capable of standing against diamond players and winning. These champions are considered pretty hard, but i managed to play them at very high level and sucessfully. You don't see solo lane Ez very often, but he's extremely potent in the right hands. Same goes for every mentioned champion.

However, if i tried to jungle with Lee Sin in gold3 i would outright suck. I'd probably die in jungle, not to mention utterly failing every Q or gank. Insecs? No chance. Same with top lane Irelia, mid Viktor or Azir. Or any similar popular meta pick. My soloq and normal MMRs are the same, so i always face plat/diamond players. Where should i learn mechanically difficult champions? Against bots? Please, don't be ridiculous... you don't learn anything when facing bots.

Twerk a Fish2 votes

new players already play vs new players. Match making is rather good at sorting that out. What it sucks at is actually balancing matches between the "smurfs". If you're stomping the system tries to stop your stomping with extremely unbalanced match ups. This is the thing I HATE about League. The moment you do good in normal matches, system tries to stop you. Instead it should let you stomp your way to high MMR and let you naturally lose games, not force losses upon you (I have multiple new accounts in different servers and every time my win streak/MMR rises fast I get people who naturally have lost 90% of their games or have tendency to rage quit/AFK).

LatetotheRace2 votes

They would of course be linked to your main account. This way if one acc is punished both will be punished. So in exchange for skipping 1-20 grind you have double liability. This I could 1000% get behind.

CerealBoxOfDoom2 votes

level 30 smurf

6300 ip

TwinkiePro2 votes

The real question is why are you smurfing at all? Is it too hard at your own ELO? Is it too hard at your friends' ELO that they require your help? There's never a reason to smurf.

Twerk a Fish1 votes

got bored? Decided to start again after not playing for a while? Wanting to just start over again? There isn't logical reason to "smurf" when you're bronze or silver (and low gold) though. But those people still do it because they're "stuck in elohell" and "noob team KS me, can't carry".

TwinkiePro1 votes

There isn't much of a reason period though. Low elo Smurfs are really just alternative accounts, you are likely going to face the same level of people anyways.

Plat+ that smurf and are bored are just admitting their ELO is too hard for them and beating low ELO makes them feel good about themselves.

Twerk a Fish1 votes

Why do low elo players smurf? Because they get stuck in their wood tier mind set and fail every game.

Why do high elo players smurfs? Because they already reached high ranking, some even highest ranking and want to go through levels 1-30 and from 30-high elo again.

OyddAWqJ5r2 votes

Technically by the Summoner's Code aren't you only supposed to have one account? lol

(Not that anyone follows that)

Tobias Brackner1 votes

Please for the love of god, before people start talking more about smurfs.

How can you tell the difference between an actual account and a smurf account?

Rafatinoni1 votes

Looks very fair to me. But the new level 20 smurf account should be set with 0 RP. When you reach level 5 I think, you get 400 RP, with this, players won't create accounts just for the RP to gift the main account when a cheap skin they like is on sale.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

or i can just make a new account that is not tied to my current one so if something happens on one account it doesn't affect the other

BananaJannana1 votes

and go through the trouble of getting it from level 1 to 30

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