The current "1000 HP per basic attack" meta makes Lee Sin useless

Great Muta··3 votes·544 views

Good luck with that shit when you have 1300HP total before health items.

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oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

what ?

Great Muta1 votes

Just got done playing a game. Was taking 800 hp basic attacks by a Twitch. At 1300 HP, that doesn't get you very far.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

hmm vs an adc that does truee damage let me not build any hp

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Great Muta1 votes

Only so much you can build on your 3rd item. If you can't kill an ADC, than what can you kill?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

well what can you kill if you dont stay alive?

Big Lincoln2 votes

why are you only on your 3rd item if Twitch has enough to do 800 per auto lol

Brutalitops014 votes

As a Twitch main, I can confidently say that Twitch doesn't deal 800 damage per auto. Twitch's damage is mostly in keeping the true damage stacked up and critting to kill tanks while his 6 stack E burst kills squishies. At no point in a game, even full 6 item build, should Twitch be dealing 800 damage per auto without critting and he'll usually only build 50%. And if he builds 80% (getting the extra Statikk Shiv), he sacrifices either LDR or all lifesteal and should never deal more then 600 per crit auto.

Gibberwatt1 votes

Im guessing twitch was building shat-tons of armor pen, and lee was not building any armor. It could also be a trinity empowered auto.

Brutalitops011 votes

But Twitch doesn't cast enough to get more than 1 Tri Force auto per fight, so why would anyone build it on him? And armor pen I usually only build the +10 on Youmuu's and then go for my crit items (Runaan's + IE) and I know that's how most Twitch players build because crits apply on all his shots from his autos, every target hit by the ult, for tons of damage.

Overall, Twitch is a very powerful ADC against squishy comps because they'll just melt to his ult, but he's one of the ADC's with the biggest problems getting through tanks. He has too many items he needs to buy if the enemy team has a huge tank and not enough slots. Pretty much, you play Twitch as "I'll kill you later, when I'm not being shot by your team" and hope the tank doesn't have enough damage to kill you. Also, Bloodthirster is really good on him because the 20% lifesteal applies on everyone hit by his ult autos and his Runaan's, so if he's hitting all 5 on the enemy team + hitting 2 of them twice with the Runaan's bolts, 1 lifesteal item gives him essentially 140% lifesteal.

Great Muta1 votes

He did. 1100 HP attack at 10 kills in about 20 mins. Then did a 800 and a 600. BF Sword, Run's Hurricane and Infin Edge.

I really wouldn't recommend commenting on things you didn't actually see. That's about the worst type of thing you can do on a forum.

Brutalitops012 votes

I can guarantee you that that wasn't a single auto, then. I main Twitch, he doesn't do that much damage per auto. With Youmuu's, Runaan's, BF Sword, and Infinity Edge I'm critting for about 4-500 per auto.

I really wouldn't recommend being a dick to people who know what they're talking about because they've done that exact same thing with vastly different results.

Great Muta1 votes

I'm gonna go off what I saw, not what someone who wasn't in the game and is talking out of his ass said.

Spicy Rice2 votes

Well then go to a doctor because you are hallucinating.

With the items you listed, the twitch would have around 260 ad.

Now even if he crit every auto, that would still equal to about 575 per auto.

So either

A. You are bullshitting us and are expecting us to believe everything you say like you are the second coming

Or

B. You are hallucinating and need medical attention fast

Great Muta1 votes

I think you should chill out on the spicy food. Too spicy food can cause hallucinations.

Spicy Rice2 votes

Says the guy who is literally shitting out of his mouth

Great Muta1 votes

Well yeah, you are. Glad you agree.

ZerglingOne2 votes

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Well yeah, you are. Glad you agree.

You were mathematically disproven. Shush.

Great Muta1 votes

Wrong-o missy.

Brutalitops011 votes

But I'm not talking out of my ass. I main the champion you're complaining about. He doesn't do that much damage per auto.

Let's just do some math here. At level 11, he has 81.97 base AD. Add in the AD from IE and a BF Sword, the only items in that build that give him AD, and he would have 191.97 AD. Slap in 9 AD reds, and you're at 200.47. Natural Talent would be another 10.3 AD, so 210.77. Double Edged Sword would be 6.3231 damage per hit, and Assassin would be 4.2154 damage per hit. The maximum damage he could have done with a standard rune page and without counting your resistances comes out to be 221.3 without crits and 553.2 with crits, with a 50% chance to crit. This is assuming that he's dealing true damage to you, which he isn't. At level 11, you would have had 73.916 armor just off of bases and your 9 armor yellows that you should be running. He would've cut through 7% of that with masteries, so you essentially had 5.17412 armor removed from that. For simplicity, I'll round it to 5.174. So your effective armor was 68.742. 68 armor would block a fair amount of his damage still, probably somewhere around 30% of it, though I'm not going to go into game and test that. So, the maximum damage he could've done to you without critting becomes 214.661 and with crits becomes 536.604. Now, this is also if he didn't activate his ult for an extra 30 AD, and to calculate that I'd have to calculate the % bonuses again and I feel like I've already wasted enough time on you. Now quit complaining, dumbass.

Great Muta1 votes

A bit hard to get any gold when you are dead.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

i tried to find this game you speak of in your match history and i cant seem to do so to provide insight on build path etc

JackMcSnipeyz3 votes

1000 per auto attack? What are you building negetive armor? Only draven cait and graves can auto attack for 1000+ damage (maybe i forgot one or two ADC) and thats at full build against squishies.

Awesomedude88881 votes

Jhin 4th AA too. But yeah, most of us aren't supposed to do 1k+ damage per auto.

Feed Daddy1 votes

Vayne Q crit MF second Q crit Rengar maybe

Brutalitops012 votes

Notice what the current Lee Sin build is: Warrior into Titanic Hydra then full tank.

cinomenapplebae1 votes

He got buffed like twice

Catastrop1 votes

Lee being useless, hah, biggest joke I've ever heard.

The 2nd Horseman1 votes

My question is who let twitch get that fed in the first place and did you get any form of armor? I mean the true damage isn't exactly crazy.

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