Boards›Gameplay

I think I have some fair nerfs for Garen that'll reduce his early game bullying

Minions4eVeR··2 votes·446 views

I mean, yes, we know how Garen still can bully quite well early game while scaling correctly into the late game.

So, I've thought that... maybe the self-slow on his E wasn't so bad afterall?

Don't get me wrong, I didn't think it was a good idea, but I think right now, he could use it early game to restrain him from bullying his laner.

Perhaps these changes to his E could be quite fair:

Judgment

  • When moving towards enemy champions, Garen is slowed for 25/20/15/10/5/0% (at levels 1/4/7/10/13/16, when he gets another spin).
  • Judgment's overall damage is increased by 33% instead of only when damaging one target with Judgment. (Or, it no longer deals 25% reduced damage against multiple enemies.

His spin is less reliable early game, but deals more damage if he manages to stick to his target for the whole duration. Also, it makes him weaker early game while stronger late game, making him a bit more risky as a pick.

Thoughts?

3 Comments

ShuffledPancake2 votes

scaling correctly into the late game? he does no dmg to other top/jgs/supports - like normal early game tops.

Erockandroll1 votes

wasn't he suppose to be an early game bully?

Critmaster Garen1 votes

the thing is he already got nerfed early on. he deals less damage than pre rework until level 16 if im not mistaken. and his base stats got nerfed a lot.

there are champions that hard counter him as it is. he doesnt even really counter riven anymore, as most of his power against her came from the 2.5 second silence on his q lategame and that he was beefy enough not to get blown up by her level 4 all in cheese.

nerfing him further would mean an automatic loss (instead of a disadvantage) against certain matchups.

plus, the self slow sucked. not only did it feel terrible (as opposed to the reduced aoe damage), but it was stupid in a sense that his kit was fighting itself. its as if you make an adc slow himself by 20% for auto attacking.

you do everything right, manage to get in range of your target despite the odds, and then you start kiting yourself.

More from Gameplay

3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay764 comments
7,167
votes
3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay156 comments
3,510
votes
UPVOTE FOR URF
Gameplay606 comments
2,440
votes
Yes plz.
Gameplay456 comments
1,721
votes
3 Refunds per season, up vote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay114 comments
1,716
votes
When is ANYONE at riot going to address the awful new player experience?
Gameplay634 comments
1,383
votes

More by Minions4eVeR

Can we give Yasuo the Riven treatment and gut his HP regen by a ton?
Gameplay151 comments
182
votes
Holy shit CertainlyT, nice fucking job on the Caitlyn rework
Gameplay166 comments
111
votes
Garen's passive still gets cancelled against someone with Frozen Heart/
Gameplay27 comments
28
votes
Holy shit, stop asking for Cassiopeia buffs or another rework. This circlejerk is the worst of all
Gameplay6 comments
10
votes
"We couldn't let Garen punish you for doing well against him, so we're nerfing him" - Riot
Gameplay16 comments
8
votes
Riot, can you make it so AT LEAST, we can't drop off a tier if we lose a game with an AFK in it?
Gameplay7 comments
7
votes