The Dark Seal for Zyra Support

Shirvallah··4 votes·1,813 views

Hey, guys. So, I just got out of a game where my bot lane was snowballing at the beginning of the game. I was playing Zyra, so I figured a little extra damage wouldn't hurt anyone. In turn, I bought The Dark Seal for a little extra oomph. I had quite a bit of stacks, so I upgraded to Mejai's Soulstealer and proceeded to get 20 stacks.

Mind you, I upgraded my support item to Frost Queen's Claim and had Sightstone, control wards, and Sweeping Lens / Oracle's Alteration as every support should (aside from Frost Queen's Claim, but you know what I mean), and Mejai's was upgraded after this.

The enemy had a Leona and a Garen that were mega tanky on their team, so I figured, hey, maybe I should build a Liandry's Torment for magic pen, and I bought Rylai's Crystal Scepter for additional peel.

I am nearly mastery level 7 on Zyra, and I have had nothing but success with that build path (including this game, even though we lost; my team wasn't good at focusing the carries). Our mid laner told me to sell my things and buy utility, because I was building "mid-lane Zyra." Am I missing something? Is this not the standard build on support Zyra anymore? And who plays Zyra mid anyways? Certainly no one I've ever played with/against. I was asked to play Zyra — NOT a tank — not a healer — etc. She's really one of a kind.

But I think the thing that got to her the most was the fact that my Mejai's was stacked. Mind you, the mid-laner was Karma, so couldn't they have opted for the more utility-like build anyways because of their SHIELD? Their enemy laner Anivia kicked their ass anyways. Maybe they were tilted that I had the balls to buy The Dark Seal after my support item and Sightstone because I was that confident with my Zyra skills.

I say all this to ask... Is it "okay" to buy The Dark Seal on Zyra (or any aggressive AP supports, really)? It only costs 350 gold, and I think it pays off in the long run if you get the stacks, like I did. If not, why is it so wrong?

10 Comments

Silly Neeko3 votes

People buy dark seal and mejai on supports like Soraka, Janna, Zilean..... Pretty much anyone whos confident enough to buy it on an ap support. There is nothing wrong with it unless you keep it even though you are not getting any stacks.

TNHA Baritone2 votes

TLDR (at the top): Your thought process was fine and the Karma was probably tilted from losing versus Anivia (which is an annoying match-up). When you get people like that who want to shove the blame on you (when they're actually mad at themselves), you just mute them and let the drown in their ignorance.

I actually really love the item. Mejai's Soulstealer (which has The Dark Seal as it's component) is the item that taught me how to position effectively. People make jokes how Mejai's makes you play like a bitch in order to keep your stacks but in all honesty if you're putting yourself at risk of dying without getting anything, you probably shouldn't follow through with those actions.

Nevertheless, your build and thought process is exactly where it should be. Zyra is a one of a kind supportive-mage. She does not have a shield or heal, however she has great crowd control and damage. **There's no reason for to be Karma should tell you to build straight utility when you can't utilize half of the items to max efficiency (as most of them give bonus shielding / healing or require you to take damage for your carries). **

As for your Karma, she should have went Athene's Unholy Grail and Abyssal Scepter. She no longer could serve as a raw damage dealer after losing lane. If anything, Zyra probably out damages her considering the plants serve as an amazing source of sustained damage and her abilities give raw burst. Your team probably would have been more successful if you had a Karma who was focused on providing the utility for the team that she has instead of trying to be something that she isn't (especially if she's versus an Anivia who can outburst and outpush)

bad arcade kitty1 votes

dark seal/mejai is always a shit

Shirvallah2 votes

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dark seal/mejai is always a shit

That was vague. Could you expand on that?

ShinkoMinori1 votes

no

Done255 votes

Ignore them, they've never even touched Ranked on that account from what lolking tells me. There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting Dark Seal/Stealer on a Support. Stacks might come more slowly, but if you play your cards right you should rarely lose them too. If you manage to get a 25 stack Soul Stealer it's a huge boon to your AP for a super cheap price.

Shirvallah2 votes

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Ignore them, they've never even touched Ranked on that account from what lolking tells me. There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting Dark Seal/Stealer on a Support. Stacks might come more slowly, but if you play your cards right you should rarely lose them too. If you manage to get a 25 stack Soul Stealer it's a huge boon to your AP.

I agree. I don't really see why it's a bad thing. Passive grants bonus mana, extra healing from potions, and you get AP stacks from getting not only kills (which I don't KS) — but assists, as well. I think people forget about that, to be honest.

Prestige AkaIi1 votes

Zyra's one of my most hated supports to go against since the mage rework.(Thresh is my go to support) She's still not played enough to be ban worthy imo though. (Her poke and zoning with her passive is strong and the fact that her plants block skillshots hurts too lol)
To answer your question, if you are currently winning lane and are building full/almost full ap then go ahead and build a dark seal. It's a really strong item if you can stack it and adds a lot of damage to your team if they need it. For example, if your mid laner is behind/feeding. However, take into account your teamcomp, if you already have a lot of dps on your team, you shouldn't even be playing zyra. (unless tank zyra is a thing lol)

Escheton1 votes

Yes. That is still the build. Midlane was just jelly. Support build Zyra is useless. Can't do what she is supposed too and dies too fast to use her items anyways.

LVL 5 PORO1 votes

I mean ... its risky, but not too bad.

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