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EVERYTHING that needs to be fixed before champion balance can happen @meddler a high elo perspective

Affinity2··3 votes·705 views

Here is a list of disproportionate game mechanics that should be looked at before touching any champ including yasuo graves (with a couple of exceptions that i will list below)

WARLORDS BLOODLUST AND BOND OF STONE HAVE NERFS/HOTFIXES ON THE WAY AND ARE THEREFORE NOT INCLUDED HERE

-Tier 2 and tier 3 towers need to have there health buffed as they were not proportionately increased based off of the resistances they lost

-Rageblade needs to be back in line with the value of some items as its close to 4500 gold in stats for a 2500 gold item (ie for comparison is not even gold efficient at 3500 gold)

-The increased healing and shields masteries need to be nerfed probably by half

-The healing and shields increase on windspeakers blessing should not apply to oneself

-45 percent cdr may need to go unless you feel its ok to gut hecarim karma and alot of other champs if you intend to keep it (i would like this to be done last if necessary because it is insanely fun)

-Fervor of battle and Grasp of the undying are too similar so one will always be better for bruisers. REMOVE ONE AND REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING INTERESTING (i recommend removing fervor or changing it drastically because yasuo nidalee eve and irelia can abuse it much better than the rest of the cast as they have permanent full stacks in the case of yas and nid and near full stacks on engagement as irelia and eve.

-** IMPORTANT*** The removal of Veteran scars (the flat health in the defensive masteries) has disproportional buffed champions who depend on early burst timings and windows of opportunity namely irelia leblanc and syndra (there are others but its hard to name them all). i would like to see some compensation for some late game champs like GP and ryze (there are others just cant name them all here) to compensate or i think a majority of the community will find these champs largely overpowered at the moment if this patch were more in a vacuum with the veteran scars removal

-Item balance is aweful. Deaths dance is bad shiv is busted when compared to last patch. IE is too weak. im sure there are a whole host of complaints here that are pretty easy to spot for the balance team. we want small changes and fast

We want changes now upvote if you agree. WE DONT want our champs changed too much before you figure out the patch.

Overall i LIKE THE NEW PATCH. SINCE IM NOT REWARDED FOR PLAYING PASSIVELY. it was boring to sit as gp and scale for 20 minutes. now i dont have to do that.

27 Comments

Irelia Bot1 votes

you forgot the part about returning trinity to be more like it was last season instead of an RNGesus item that most marksmen will not want. It has long been everall better on fighters anyways with they tend to have higher base AD

Affinity21 votes

[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MwQOPtmY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-11-15T18:31:20.021+0000)

you forgot the part about returning trinity to be more like it was last season instead of an RNGesus item that most marksmen will not want. It has long been everall better on fighters anyways with they tend to have higher base AD

i said item balance is off. there are far too many grievances to list here and take a while to fix

Lu7GxFdkYz1 votes

I think they should keep the towers the old way. Or at least half their resistances at 7 minutes and increase its damage since I guess they did decrease it. Graves absolutely needs a Nerf.

And yes ie and the rest should not have been nerfed. It sucks

Vesarixx1 votes

That is a lot of stuff to nerf, I think I'd rather see how this plays out a bit first, but maybe reverting the change to minions so they don't auto push vs the losing team should still be considered.

Affinity21 votes

[{quoted}](name=Raith alghul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MwQOPtmY,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-11-15T18:53:54.127+0000)

That is a lot of stuff to nerf, I think I'd rather see how this plays out a bit first, but maybe reverting the change to minions so they don't auto push vs the losing team should still be considered.

i promise all these changes together mke the game better. im trimming some extraneous power

BluePolarizer1 votes

Hecarim doesn't benefit much from 45% CDR since you have to choose between 9 flat pen and the CDR. The flat pen is superior. The 45% CDR will only be useful near full build; you never get full build anymore.

Not that it matters since Hecarim jungle is extremely wonky now due to the itemization changes (splitting of Machete while Talisman doesn't give enough mana regen anymore; smite upgrades costing more; jungle items being more expensive) while Hecarim lane loses to all the crit guys who outsustain him.

Karbuncle1 votes

Oh man,we're at a point where people think Karma is too strong.cause her spells come up not even a second more than before

Affinity21 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inquisitor Karma,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MwQOPtmY,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-11-15T22:50:53.248+0000)

Oh man,we're at a point where people think Karma is too strong.cause her spells come up not even a second more than before

CDR and flat penetration are the only two skills that scale the MORE you have of it, the last 5 percent cdr is the strongest part do the math plz, the mastery is strong enough to be a keystone on its own

Karbuncle1 votes

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CDR and flat penetration are the only two skills that scale the MORE you have of it, the last 5 percent cdr is the strongest part do the math plz, the mastery is strong enough to be a keystone on its own

every stat in the history of ever scales the more you have of it and no 5% CDR does not come close to the power of any keystone

Affinity21 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inquisitor Karma,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MwQOPtmY,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2015-11-16T02:22:59.209+0000)

every stat in the history of ever scales the more you have of it and no 5% CDR does not come close to the power of any keystone

NOW YOUR JUST LYING AND SPREADING BULLSHIT

if you have 1 ad and you get 1 more ad you got 100 percent ad if you get 1 more ad you now gain 50 percent increase in ad. HEALTH ARMOR MR ALL DAMAGE STATS ALL SCALE THE SAME WAY INCLUDING CRIT.

if armor scales like this common sense is flat penetration scales INVERSELY. CDR SCALES THE SAME WAY AS PENETRATION SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU BS GENERAL DISCUSSION RETARD I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG DO YOUR RESEARCH OR SOME BASIC MATH BEFORE YOU TALK

Sightless661 votes

Dude, are you ok? That's a majorly disproportionate response, even if the guy is wrong. That's really kind of concerning. Legitimately man, are you doing alright?

Affinity21 votes

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Dude, are you ok? That's a majorly disproportionate response, even if the guy is wrong. That's really kind of concerning. Legitimately man, are you doing alright?

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4299684

read.... sick of morons

Sightless661 votes

Yeah, I know. I didn't dispute that. I'm worried about your response to him not knowing that. You really blew up over a pretty minor thing, and that's concerning. You seem way more angry than any of this merits.

Affinity21 votes

{quoted}

Yeah, I know. I didn't dispute that. I'm worried about your response to him not knowing that. You really blew up over a pretty minor thing, and that's concerning. You seem way more angry than any of this merits.

I put motherfucking mental time and effort into the post and some retard comes along with ignorance lies and a downvote. I should be probably be more upset at the person who contributes to making this game worsem i refuse to have patience for idiocy

Sightless661 votes

No, this really isn't something worth getting upset over. You're getting pissed because someone was wrong, and you're also assuming that this person being wrong is the reason why you got downvoted. You're overreacting, and it REALLY undermines whatever arguments you have when it looks like you can't control yourself. There's no possible benefit for you here.

Affinity21 votes

{quoted}

No, this really isn't something worth getting upset over. You're getting pissed because someone was wrong, and you're also assuming that this person being wrong is the reason why you got downvoted. You're overreacting, and it REALLY undermines whatever arguments you have when it looks like you can't control yourself. There's no possible benefit for you here.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ acts like my arguemnt had a chance of getting though

doesnt understand how the upvote system and time variables interact with visibility on this forum

Sightless661 votes

Anyone who did see your argument immediately dismissed it because it doesn't look like you can defend it. If you have to resort to insults, then it immediately casts doubt over everything you wrote. After all, why would you have to get angry if you were right? You'd just be able to explain why you were right. The instant insults get involved, there's no chance for any message getting through to anyone. The only possible result, literally the only thing that can happen, is you losing credibility.

Affinity21 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inquisitor Karma,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MwQOPtmY,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2015-11-16T02:22:59.209+0000)

every stat in the history of ever scales the more you have of it and no 5% CDR does not come close to the power of any keystone

it sucks that dumb fucks like this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ who dont understand the game have the power to downvote my post.....

fucking know nothings op rito plz nerf

Karbuncle1 votes

Also nerfs to shields on one's self? Those Masteries are taken on squishy mage supports and it's a good thing because they NEVER should have had to build health items in the first while tank supports actually scale with them.

Affinity21 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inquisitor Karma,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MwQOPtmY,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-11-15T22:55:38.955+0000)

Also nerfs to shields on one's self? Those Masteries are taken on squishy mage supports and it's a good thing because they NEVER should have had to build health items in the first while tank supports actually scale with them.

by squishy mages u mean mundo and hecarim right???? shows how much you actually know about the abuse cases and whats strong this patch

Karbuncle2 votes

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by squishy mages u mean mundo and hecarim right???? shows how much you actually know about the abuse cases and whats strong this patch

If you lose to champions that get hard countered by an 800 cost item you're the bad one

Affinity21 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inquisitor Karma,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MwQOPtmY,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-11-16T02:22:42.244+0000)

If you lose to champions that get hard countered by an 800 cost item you're the bad one

NO THEY DONT GET HARD COUNTERED BECAUSE THEY CAN STILL BE HEALED AND SHIELDED AND BENEFIT FROM TEAMMATES BECAUSE GREIVOUS WOUNDS NERF ALSO THAT ITEM SUCKS BECAUSE OF THE GREIVOUS WOUNDS PLUS LW NERF. DUDE STOP TRYING TO BELITTLE MY ARGUEMNTS WITH POOR POINTS YOU SCORE POINTS WITH OTHER GD IDIOTS BUT YOUR DEAD WRONG AND MAKING MUTE POINTS IN A VACUUM WHERE ANY GRIEVOUS WOUNDS IS GOOD WHICH ITS NOT

Karbuncle1 votes

{quoted}

NO THEY DONT GET HARD COUNTERED BECAUSE THEY CAN STILL BE HEALED AND SHIELDED AND BENEFIT FROM TEAMMATES BECAUSE GREIVOUS WOUNDS NERF ALSO THAT ITEM SUCKS BECAUSE OF THE GREIVOUS WOUNDS PLUS LW NERF. DUDE STOP TRYING TO BELITTLE MY ARGUEMNTS WITH POOR POINTS YOU SCORE POINTS WITH OTHER GD IDIOTS BUT YOUR DEAD WRONG AND MAKING MUTE POINTS IN A VACUUM WHERE ANY GRIEVOUS WOUNDS IS GOOD WHICH ITS NOT

U mad?

Affinity21 votes

TL;DR CDR provides increasing returns, so that the dpm increase per unit of CDR is greater the more CDR you already have.

UNLIKE OTHER STATS WHICH I JUST PROVED HAVE DIMINISHING RETURN BECAUSE OF MATH BUT DUUUUHHH GD KNOWS EVERYTHING SO 45 PERCENT CDR CANT POSSIBLY OP ON KARMA ZED EZREAL HECARIM AND OTHER CHARACTERS WITH CDR MULTIPLIERS

Affinity21 votes

IN OTHER WORDS 45 PERCENT CDR IS BY FAR WAAAAY STRONGER THAN 7% PENETRATION YOU GET IN THE FEROCITY TREE AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED MORE POWERFUL THAN KEYSTONES LIKE DEATHFIRE TOUCH WHICH IDIOTS HAVE BEEN GOING ON KARMA FOR EXAMPLE

Affinity21 votes

this forum is fucking cancer.... any idiot is gonna downvote me when in reality i do know better

Affinity21 votes

I got mad when my argument was buried under the weight of downvotes in the system. No sooner or later. There was no coming back anyway so i educated a single GD retard and insulted him for insulting me. I see no wrong consiquence there.

Its not a campaign its a single post that will never again be brought up if i post about the same topic.

Im right hes wrong and i validates my argument multiple times

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