Jungle Exp Changes
> Jungle > Non-buff camps now reward about 25% less XP on the First Clear* > Experience Changes > [NOTE: When comparing values, remember big camps all get +50 bonus experience from jungle items] > Blue - XP lowered to 200 from 210 > Red - XP lowered to 200 from 210 > Gromp - XP lowered to 200 from 210 > Little Krugs - XP lowered to 35 from 45 > Mini Krugs - XP lowered 7 from 15 > Crimson Raptor- XP increased to 20 from 15 > Small Raptors - XP increased to 35 from 15.
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/01/13-pbe-update.html
Raptor camp exp gets buffed from the current 115 exp (15 Crimson + 6x15 Small) to 230 exp (20 Crimson + 35x6 small) while Krugs go from 350 to 272. I think it's good to even out the experience in the 2 non buff redside camps, but 35 per small which is greater than the Crimson is pretty stupid. Even more incentive for mid to snipe off a large chunk of your exp with a spell or 2 and grab 210/230 exp from that camp
With the changes, blue side goes from 600 exp to 580, while red goes from 665 to 702 for full clears. I'm fine with this since red takes a bit more time and health to clear. Overall exp goes from 1265 to 1282, add 300 to each with jungle item.
**What does bother me significantly is the 25% reduced exp on first clear. ** Did the math on this, and what it means is if you do not full clear your jungle on the first clear, you wont hit level 4. If you get a single camp stolen, you will not hit level 4 and will need to tax, get a kill on gank or invade to steal a camp. Doing this on level 3 when the laners are going to be 3-4 means ganking becomes a lot harder.
If you go blue, gromp, wolves, red, you'll be level 3. If you do all that and krugs... well you're still level 3. If you do raptors instead of krugs, you're still level 3. So at all points in the early game unless you full clear, your gank will be level 3. Laners will hit level 4 at 4 waves of minions so the jungler will almost always be behind or at best even. Slow clearing junglers will definitely be lower level than those they are ganking, so they'll be punished even harder forcing people to play fast clear junglers even more and heavily encouraging a hard farm speed first clear type of play. Whoever rushes down their first clear then ganks first wins because the other jungler is either still clearing, or will be a level behind if they come to help vs the jungler who speed full cleared. This sound terrible
Alternate fix? Maybe have a first clear exp ramp up. The longer it takes into the first clear the more experience those camps will have from the 25% reduction, going back to full value. IE - if someone didnt full clear and left raptors, those first raptors are still at a diminished value. However, if its like 5 minutes or whatever time into the game and those raptors still arent cleared, it will now be worth full rather than the 25% penalty still so the slower clearing champs can still catch up and not be penalized for not resetting a jungle camp spawn just to get rid of the first spawn penalty
