I am not allowed to win if I am supporting

Solels·Mar 18, 2015·3 votes·1,215 views

It's like every fucking adc in bronze only does it because they think it's fun. NONE of them seem to know how to do it. Well, at least every single one on my team unless I am playing it. In the event I need to support, we lose 97 percent of the time. We will have no map presence, no pressure, no control and no coordination. Best part is that I can't influence it at all because I am a fucking useless support. Why is every fucking adc in bronze so abysmally bad? If I lose my next series because of a shitty adc, I fucking swear I am going to hurt someone.

33 Comments

IcyPepperMar 18, 20152 votes

Best part is that I can't influence it at all because I am a fucking useless support.

Do you not know how important the support is...?

SolelsMar 18, 20151 votes

Yes, I do. You know what I don't get? Why every support champion can't change a damn thing if your team is really behind. My wards mean nothing, my begging our adc to push a lane results in failure, enemies push every lane at the same time and we have no damage and I can only sit back and watch us lose; among other things that happen. Mostly what I mean is that unless your team is even or more ahead than the other team, you just become a third wheel.

EnkidusmurfMar 18, 20151 votes

Alistar Annie Blitzcrank Braum Janna Morgana Nami Lulu Leona Thresh Zilean Bard

. . . what supports are you playing?

SolelsMar 18, 20151 votes

Why does that matter? If my team has no damage and the enemy team has map control, presence and constant pressure, I can't do a fucking thing. If I can, go into excruciatingly deep detail on how exactly to do that; how to take back a game with someone that has no damage and cannot split push. As it stands, if you fall behind, there isn't a damn thing you can do. Your wards and tankiness don't make your team more powerful or bring it back, at least not in bronze.

EnkidusmurfMar 18, 20152 votes

Well, I was going to just answer the question: CC. They offer tons of lockdown in teamfights, and they can disengage when teamfights are going poorly. (You can't ask for much better than a Janna knockback.) But you want "excruciatingly deep detail"?

Excruciatingly deep detail. Okay, here goes.

You pick Annie. You take AP runes and masteries, but use utilities instead of defense. Start with a spellthief's edge, but go immediately into Rod of Ages as soon as you can. Make sure you brought flash. When teamfighting, make sure your stun, flash, and Tibbers are up. When the enemy team is grouped, you drop a 5-man Tibbers stun on their heads and commence spamming spells. Make sure to use E, because Tibbers benefits from it as well.

Sure, this isn't going to give you a single-handed, no-assist, 1v5 wombo combo. But I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, your team was probably actually doing slightly more than no damage. Graves wasn't stacking Crucibles, was he? If you can land a good Tibbers stun in a teamfight, ping excessively for them to attack the stunned-up enemy team. Odds are, one or two or four of them will begin attacking, and probably get a kill or two. Win teamfight, proceed to objectives (dragon if up, Baron if feasible; at the very least push a lane and try to take a tower).

Got all that?

Angry MonsterMar 18, 20151 votes

he is a bronze kid. So no he doesnt.

EnkidusmurfMar 18, 20151 votes

I'm getting that impression. I might save face and call it a rhetorical question. ;)

Kamiroo WolfMar 18, 20151 votes

Play Taric (even though I KNOW you probably don't want to or play unconventional supports. Corki and Wukong or Twitch and Wukong are usually easy win lanes, Mundo and Jinx handle fights pretty well just because of Mundo's infinite poke, and Garen works well with many ADC's as long as you have tanks runes and/or masteries. Finally, don't be afraid to play aggressive and build whatever you think is best. You don't have to build wards if you know you can do more damage than your ads and you will benefit more from it.

XonraMar 18, 20151 votes

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Do you not know how important the support is...?

Obviously not. Sounds like he wants to be carried. As the support you have to be the control and awareness on the team, things he says his teams don't have. Blames his adc, when it is the support who carries the lane, people just think it is the adc.

He is straight up told champs that will work, then says he doesn't want them. Then says he is a "useless" support.

This is why, right here, people like this guy, that ranked games are so frustrating sometimes lol

SolelsMar 18, 20151 votes

I can't control a game where no one on my team has damage and every one of our lanes are being pushed in. I am blaming my adc because he wouldn't stay in lane and farm at all. He would also, since he was playing ezreal, arcane shift in making him an easy target. I also asked him to push a lane when it was open to be pushed, but he wouldn't do it for no good reason. I even accidentally took a kill from him when there was 3 motherfuckers at our base and he responded with "ks." I am not going to respect that type of player.

I don't get how I am the reason ranked games are frustrating. I am thinking of anything I could do to relieve pressure from all of our lanes being pushed in at the same time, but a support just can't fucking do that. You can only sit by and watch them take out turrets, kill your team and end the game. Since I have no clue what you mean by what you said, please explain it so I am not misunderstanding anything.

AbyssphereMar 18, 20151 votes

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I can't control a game where no one on my team has damage and every one of our lanes are being pushed in. I am blaming my adc because he wouldn't stay in lane and farm at all. He would also, since he was playing ezreal, arcane shift in making him an easy target. I also asked him to push a lane when it was open to be pushed, but he wouldn't do it for no good reason. I even accidentally took a kill from him when there was 3 motherfuckers at our base and he responded with "ks." I am not going to respect that type of player.

I don't get how I am the reason ranked games are frustrating. I am thinking of anything I could do to relieve pressure from all of our lanes being pushed in at the same time, but a support just can't fucking do that. You can only sit by and watch them take out turrets, kill your team and end the game. Since I have no clue what you mean by what you said, please explain it so I am not misunderstanding anything.

Unfortunately I'm pretty sure there's no champion who has much chance of turning around a game where all three lanes lost. Frankly a support with a really good team fight has as good a chance as anyone but most team fights are auto-lose if your team is behind no matter how good an ult you land. Try and get vision to pick off out of position enemies, maybe? If you're not so far behind that they can 1v2 your carry + support.

SolelsMar 19, 20151 votes

Can't. I put down many wards. Team still lost. I don't care as much anymore, though. I am back into bronze 1. I know I won't remain there long because I am not allowed to win after getting promoted. Back to bronze 2 from 1 for the upteenth time in a row now.

paShadoWnMar 19, 20151 votes

Do you know why youre useless? Because you ward, dont farm and dont kill.

IcyPepperMar 19, 20151 votes

If you seriously consider the support to be nothing more than a ward bot who doesn't contribute anything to the team, then there is nothing I can say to convince you otherwise. If you really undervalue the power of utility over damage that much, then go ahead. Wait until you meet that god-tier support that actually knows what they're doing.

DisasterSolaMar 18, 20151 votes

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It's like every fucking adc in bronze only does it because they think it's fun. NONE of them seem to know how to do it. Well, at least every single one on my team unless I am playing it. In the event I need to support, we lose 97 percent of the time. We will have no map presence, no pressure, no control and no coordination. Best part is that I can't influence it at all because I am a fucking useless support. Why is every fucking adc in bronze so abysmally bad? If I lose my next series because of a shitty adc, I fucking swear I am going to hurt someone.

This is when you play something like karma or vel'koz and become a sub-carry. personally, my "shit" laner is cho. As long as i dont die - which is easy, usually - i can tank up to something like 5K HP and singlehandely carry because QWR on the carry.

SolelsMar 18, 20151 votes

I don't own velkoz or karma, nor do I really want to at this point in time.

EnkidusmurfMar 18, 20151 votes

Orianna works, also. And all three of them are decent midlane picks.

SolelsMar 18, 20151 votes

Works doing what? Dealing no damage and dying a lot?

AbyssphereMar 18, 20151 votes

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Works doing what? Dealing no damage and dying a lot?

You're not being very accepting of advice right now.

BluePolarizerMar 18, 20151 votes

You are a scrub.

Doesn't mean you are bad. But you are a scrub - you are given advice that will win you more games and you refuse it. Ok, then keep losing.

Lights And MagicMar 18, 20151 votes

Play a subcarry role is probably your best bet. Annie, Veigar, Leblanc, Karma, Cho'Gath, Vel'Koz, Fid, Brand and even if you wanna get non-meta, Lulu, Nid, Teemo, Kennen, Syndra, full AP Nami etc etc etc.

Kill the enemy down to 200 health, let the ADC get the kill, tell them how good they are for that total 1v2 he just did. Automatically win.

Or you could just autolock Katarina and win every bronze game

SolelsMar 18, 20151 votes

That isn't how games go. My team always seems to have no damage, and since I don't either, we can't do anything but watch them win.

Lights And MagicMar 18, 20151 votes

Thinking he would win if everybody went full damage champions.

That only works until like Bronze II. But so does duo top so

SolelsMar 18, 20151 votes

I never said that is how to win. But in the event where your team is behind and has no damage, you can't do anything about it if you are supporting. You just can't.

Lights And MagicMar 18, 20151 votes

You also can't do much if you're jungling and all your lanes get destroyed. Doesn't mean it's impossible to win as jungle. You also can't do much if you're top lane, bot lane's losing and you're against a Tryndamere/Nasus. Doesn't mean it's impossible to win as top. You also can't do much if you're adc and your support steals farm and refuses to poke/engage/do anything but ward and wait around to die complaining about not having any damage. Doesn't mean nobody wins as ADC

SolelsMar 18, 20151 votes

Tell me then. When my team is drastically behind, and I am a tanky support with 0 pushing potential, what am I supposed to do in order to get ahead? To me, it seems impossible.

Lights And MagicMar 18, 20151 votes

Play a support with pushing potential? We fully understand Braum doesn't do tons of damage. He's not the only support in the game.

SolelsMar 18, 20151 votes

Great...just fantastic advice. Thanks for spending the time telling me something so well thought out. I guarantee it will change the outcomes of my games from now on....

Lights And MagicMar 18, 20151 votes

If you're playing solo queue you need to be able to carry no matter what role you play. That includes support. You're literally shooting down every piece of advice that people are giving you. If you don't want advice, don't ask for it.

SolelsMar 18, 20151 votes

I wouldn't call "then play a different champion" legitimate advice. Give me the specific advice I have asked for at least twice now, yet you have failed to deliver to me.

Lights And MagicMar 18, 20151 votes

I also noticed you won every game of support you played in the past week. (2 maokai games) I don't get why you're complaining.

SolelsMar 18, 20152 votes

That's not the point. I had the title as it is because I thought more people would look at it then. I really wanted advice because it seems impossible to win as a support if your team is behind.