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PSA: If you want to rake in some easy wins as Morde, play him Bot lane

Malicious Metal··41 votes·4,169 views

With the current Meta favoring snowballing and top lane being infested with carry picks I've grown quite fond of a different style of Mordekaiser:

#AP Carry Mordekaiser

Playing him bot lane, like he was reworked to do so by none other than CertainlyT, seems like the best course of action currently if you really want to climb in ranked. Every high elo Mordekaiser plays him Bot lane currently and watching Van Darkholme play bot lane Morde made me try it out myself.

And boy, I was not disappointed! https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/33174656/adcmorde.jpg

So, before you get out your Pitchforks and burn me at the stake let me run down the Pro's and Cons of bot lane Morde:

#Pros: -Extremely durable bot laner that counters most dive comps -Strong bully and outright dirty snowballing -Can nuke almost any champion to hell and back -Can heal his own allies -Dragon Clone -Strong sieging with his Clone -Supplements your team with an AP damage source if you're already stacked with AD -Opens up Top lane for a diver/fighter/tank with cc -Ganks usually result in free triple kills -He's Metal as fuck

#Cons: -you NEED a good Support -You REALLY, REALLY need a good support -Some team comps don't really work with Morde -Relies on your own experience and you can fuck up rather easily

Honestly, in this meta where Snowballing's so important and where solo lanes usually need to provide CC in order to be impactful Mordekaiser seems to be better suited for the bot lane. He provides literally everything you'd want from a bot laner except maybe reliable siege but even mid laners like Orianna can provide that. Also, depending on your support you may want to rush item 3146 if they provide heavy engage (Blitz, naut, etc.) or item 3116 if they're enchanters with little hard cc and more speedups (Lulu, Sona, karma)

Not to mention bot lane being easier to snowball from as there are TWO victims to get fed off, while also having a defenseless tower and dragon just a stone's throw away.

So, if you want to rake in the free ELO and get revenge on all those pesky ADC's, why not consider playing Mordekaiser bot lane` It's pretty damn fun and honestly kinda broken in some instances.

-MM

Also, obligatory Sonakaiser clip

OTP confirmed???! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPKhyvXKsCg&feature=youtu.be

I'll be answering any questions you may have on the topic of bot lane Mordekaiser, if you decide to pick it up yourself.

Edit: #Max W lads, can't stress that enough, it's statistically the best spell and there's no reason not to max it.

72 Comments

Nymzo5 votes

I honestly think that Caitlyn and Morgana might be your hardest counter.

Especially if Rubick would pick Blitzcrank. And Mordekaiser's hitbox doesn't help to dodge Morg's q, then follow up by Cait's traps.

And of course Cait's poke, though you might be able to endure it with doran and your w.

Ahristocats9 votes

thing is morde doesn't only work with blitz

i didn't read MM thread, but basically morde can also work with Sona Soraka Nami Lulu but differently

you would build Rylai instead of gunblade, and get deathfire touch to poke

then it's a battle of poke and sustain, morde sustains with W and poke with E+deathfire and counterpoke with passive shield, and sona/lulu would help him to do that

so if they pick Morgana i wouldn't go for blitz/thresh unless they pick after me

TyrekGoldenspear5 votes

i didn't read MM thread, but basically morde can also work with Sona Soraka Nami Lulu but differently

Can confirm synergy with Soraka. This match was a massacre. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2479000113/233261828?tab=overview

I know low elo games aren't much proof, but keep in mind that this was my first time supporting a Morde botlane and we worked off each other pretty well despite that. Got my Mastery 6 Soraka off this game.

Ahristocats2 votes

it's a miracle that your morde managed to do good with a random support, it's really hard without communication

i shall say welcome back to the azir icon

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

Thanks. Feels good to go full Shurima once again.

FourVsFive5 votes

omg guys 4 of thoes games he was vs a lucian and he still won this is awesome!

PeepingPeafowl4 votes

How do you deal with mage supports?

EDIT: dunno how I double posted sorry about that

Malicious Metal7 votes

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/go-kill-them.gif

Seriously though. Mage supports only provide damage and usually lack any defensive capabilities. In these lanes it's easy to just focus them down and kill them with someone like Nautilus/Blitz and then turn your attention towards the enemy ADC.

Also item 1054 Helps shrug off poke rather easily.

PeepingPeafowl2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MsP7rrZv,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2017-05-15T16:48:12.598+0000) Mage supports only provide damage and usually lack any defensive capabilities.

I may just be terrible but I'm having a hard time imagining how you get around the Zyra roots , Brand stuns and Velkoz knock ups.

and although he is played very little as a mage support I also see Veigar cage being a problem.

This is from the experience of a rather bad melee support if that helps to understand where I'm coming from.

Ahristocats2 votes

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I may just be terrible but I'm having a hard time imagining how you get around the Zyra roots , Brand stuns and Velkoz knock ups.

this is a question for me

he doesn't Morde can't dodge all of this unless he uses W to get an MS boosts

however morde isn't alone, the morde rework made him depending on his support morde brings the billion of damage, and the support brings the necessary CC and that's how you get around zyra root, you need a leona thresh blitzcrank kind of champion

or you get a champion like lulu or sona and spam shield/heal while morde pokes with E and sustain with shield

Silly Neeko2 votes

Nami to me would seem to do well with Mordekaiser as well.... Some extra heal, 60+ base move speed boost.... An auto attack enhancing slow..... A small aoe stun.... And a lovely ultimate with double speed effect for allies and slows enemies.

Plus with me at least i build her fairly tanky and she still heals very well and pokes very well :)

Ahristocats2 votes

{quoted}

Nami to me would seem to do well with Mordekaiser as well.... Some extra heal, 60+ base move speed boost.... An auto attack enhancing slow..... A small aoe stun.... And a lovely ultimate with double speed effect for allies and slows enemies.

Yep, enchenters are stronger than blitz and thresh for morde in teamfight

but you don't and SHOULDN'T fight bot if you pick them i already tried, mordekaiser is squishy af in early game and if you don't have burst you will lose 2v2

if you pick nami lulu sona ect.. you should poke and sustain instead of all-in like blitz

Silly Neeko2 votes

Do heavy counter engage rather than try and fail a heavy engage. Its what i do in top until i know i can beat them. That is something most people seem to just not understand about Mordekaiser or vs most supports..... They are almost all counter engage apart from Blitzcrank, Thresh, and Leona..... With varying degrees of poke. This is what Mordekaisers love.

Tobias Brackner2 votes

You work with your support and avoid them. Just like with any other champion.

macromite2 votes

on a scale of 1 to dirty how stupid would morde be if you paired him with something like zyra or annie, a mage support that also brings a crapload of damage while curbing some of the weaknesses morde has.

MysterQ3 votes

Now I really want a botlane Morde to Flex with.

58697132DEL13 votes

Whoa wait hold one, you mean playing areworked chap the way they were reworked to play, IMPROVES how they do????? Shit man maybe you nailed something here.

Mordepool3 votes

{quoted}

Whoa wait hold one, you mean playing areworked chap the way they were reworked to play, IMPROVES how they do????? Shit man maybe you nailed something here.

Notice how the build is completely different from the recommended for ADC Morde 2 years ago.

Tobias Brackner3 votes

THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS

MORDEKAISER IS GODLIKE AND IT'S A CRIME NO ONE IS PLAYING HIM BOTLANE.

People rabidly cling to the meta without actually thinking about it, we need more people who understand the game and the characters within it.

CyberBalt3 votes

Why do you sometimes get double dorans shield? And do you think I should pretty much always take it over relic shield now? What are the best times to all-in? Do you have any tips for improving communication with a duo? How would he do with a Sion support?

And not related to bot lane morde specifically: But is Steraks a must buy now? They only buffed its AD by like 5% and an additional 5% on the passive.

Sorry for all the questions :P.

Malicious Metal5 votes

Double dorans is pretty great due to its damage to minions stacking as well as it making heavy poke lanes so much more bearable. Plus you don't lose a lot of gold selling it. I always take it over Relic shield currently because it just provides me with better stats and doesn't just instantly push the wave.

Best times to all in is when you have all your skills (level 3mostly) and your support lands a heavy cc on the enemy. Communication is best over voice chat or simply make up a few ground rules to follow if you don't want to use discord or something.

Sion support is a great kill lane and great to snowball off, it depends on the enemy pick though.

And Sterak's has always been one of my favorite items on Morde but due to the shield scaling with BONUS HP it has become a third/fourth item. Still one of my most common items on Mordekaiser.

And no problem, always enjoy talking about Morde.

CyberBalt3 votes

One more thing: Is there any way I could watch replays of your games? I used to be able to watch replays with replay.gg but I'm not sure what to do now that the new client is out.

edit: Also, why stormraiders over DFT? I'd imagine DFT would be better, since it doesn't seem like you could reliably proc Raiders.

Malicious Metal3 votes

Hmm.. I could try uploading some if you want that?

CyberBalt3 votes

Would love that :)

Done252 votes

Instead of Sterak's, what do you think of Gargoyle Stoneplate? +80 Armor/MR in a team fight, and you can pop it to double your HP, and shield, when a big burst is coming.

Malicious Metal5 votes

#60% less damage

'nuff said.

Tearin True3 votes

I would love to play more morde, but I sucked with him. Links to some vids?

Mordepool3 votes

This feels like a more natural progression than 2 years ago. I may have to stop hating botlane Mordekaiser.

Damn you MM I feel so CONFLICTED!!!!

Malicious Metal3 votes

Well, he's back at being mostly played in a solo lane, so it feels less forced.

It's more like him being able to be played with a friend of yours to even greater efficiency due to him being great with CC and having more targets to destroy.

Plus it doesn't feel forced anymore with weird-ass XP gimmicks and dragon clone slapped on top of it. If Morde came out like this with the Juggernaut patch everyone would have been happy since he'd have gotten more toys for solo lane and a spicy new option to roll duo.

The Ecdysiast3 votes

If you want other people to get free wins in ranked, play Mord bot lane solo queue with an autofilled support.

Silly Neeko2 votes

I have supported quite a few "off meta" picks of adc, but i normally do not see mordekaisers. When i am vs a Mordekaiser in bottom lane, we often beat them..... If my adc has a clue what they are doing at least. Most of the reason Mordekaiser does so well in bottom lane is that until late game, most bottom laners have absolutely no clue what Mordekaiser does apart from "oh he can ghost a dragon and ghost champions"......

I was actually told one time when i was beating a Jax top while playing Mordekaiser top that i should have maxed my Q first. Jax's pride and joy is to mess up any and all auto attack based attacks. If i maxed my Q, i would do next to no damage to the jax because he will just dodge it all and stun me and it will be wasted...... However maxing E and W (i normally max E unless vs someone like Riven or Fiora, in which case W or Q to me seems better) results in you beating the jax a lot easier. The jax was actually surprised I even knew that he dodges all auto based attacks......

That aside, yes Morde APC or support should do quite well. Something that i am going to be testing soon is having spell vamp quints for him to help his obsurd sustain..... Although using the exp quints would result in me getting level 2 off the first wave of minions (if he starts W and does not miss any minions) which is a HUGE advantage in bottom lane especially. Been testing that out a bit as well in top or mid.

If played right I have gotten almost solo pentakills easily with him. Actually the two games that got me the S ranks for him i got a penta each time. In top lane, depending on how good the enemy top laner is i normally get my tower by minute 8-10 and start pushing on to the 2nd. By this time the enemy team often sends their mid laner and jungler after me so it helps if my mid laner actually pings..... But even then it can often end with a double or triple kill for me.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

I have a question on Morde Botlane.

Are there any supports/ADC combos you just can't deal with? Like a situation that you would dodge if you see it in champ select?

Silly Neeko2 votes

{quoted}

I have a question on Morde Botlane.

Are there any supports/ADC combos you just can't deal with? Like a situation that you would dodge if you see it in champ select?

There is never a situation like that. There is no need to dodge based on enemy champion pick because you can outplay them, or your team can follow up on the weaknesses the enemy team might be able to exploit.

A Nunu and Kalista however may give them a bit of hassle.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Ah good to know. I don't dodge myself, but I was asking for the sake of ranked games. I am starting my ranked climb and in case dodging was a thing I needed to know how to do I wanted to be prepared.

Malicious Metal5 votes

I never dodge.

But the hardest Matchup would be something like Caitlyn paired with a disengage support like Janna/Morg.

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

Ah okay. I've just heard many people dodge in ranked games to save LP. I suppose that isn't a thing that I have to do to climb?

zaire903 votes

Dodging should be done when you know the games a lost just remeber you caan only do it once so after the 1st dodge just stick the game out you might get lucky, but I only use it for when my team is arguing or doing troll picks. (Just remember theres a difference between off meta and a troll pick)

Thefrostyviking2 votes

I have a seriously important question!

Where are the pentakill skins for that duo!?

Wonderfully missed opportunity to let your opponents know that they were screwed in advance. It could have been beautiful :(

And another, but more in general and not on topic.

I recently played Kayle to quite the success....is she OP or was i just lucky? I felt lucky right up to the point where i walked in one versus three and killed all three opponents. .....I was really fed but few champs can do that even when fed.... i think? Especially after face tanking just about everything throw......I love Kayle's ulti.

Malicious Metal3 votes

We used Pentakill in that ranked game. That's footage from a normal we played.

Kayle in general has always been a sleeper pick, because she can totally 1v5 carry her team, either when ahead or when reaching late game.

Thefrostyviking2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MsP7rrZv,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2017-05-15T20:51:45.954+0000)

We used Pentakill in that ranked game. That's footage from a normal we played.

......

Perfection, art, beautiful, i might not even have cried in frustration if i was the one losing on the other side of the lane playing against that.

Hard times for my poor Ashe .

Kayle in general has always been a sleeper pick, because she can totally 1v5 carry her team, either when ahead or when reaching late game.

For a time i felt like i usually died too fast to ever do anything or just didn't have the ability to kill the tanks, or i simply got stunlocked til´death.

Perhaps now is the time to go and move back into the toplane after my long depression in botlane.....nightmares of endless poke, crazy dives and roaming assassins still haunt my sleep ;_;

But a bit of that was dispelled playing Kayle being the offender rather than the victim for once so my feelings of having found item 3107 might be justified.

....I shall endeavor to make any and all rengar's, graves and Zed's as miserable as possible! My vengeance will arrive at last! Ahahahahahaha.

I might even go as far as to challenge one of the true lords of my personal misery Yasuo !

Tomorrow though, evil, vengeance and a holy crusade requires good sleep and a steady breakfast first.

LordOfTheLeague2 votes

I feel the same with cassio bot. It is so strong if you know how to play it. You are ranged, you have high dps, you have aoe, lots of cc. But you need a good support and then bot lane is just a stomp.

Samflash32 votes

What if Cassiopeia becomes the support?

Fairyfleur2 votes

I'd love to try supporting a mordekaiser with my Nami or Sona. Also, what do you think about someone along the lines of Bard and Rakan?

Malicious Metal3 votes

Bard is a pretty great champion due to how bursty he is. Rakan is more of a distraction and doesn't provide the MS/reliable CC other enchanters of his caliber do.

PaffWasTaken2 votes

Max W lads, can't stress that enough, it's statistically the best spell and there's no reason not to max it.

Other than the fact that you need some serious synergy with your Partner to put the best from it... well, I guess that's why you insisted on "having a really really good support"

Golden Tager X2 votes

Zilean Mordekaiser SPEED METAL!!

Troll for Trump2 votes

It doesn't stand a chance against the fabled Darius ADC

BakedLotion2 votes

And then they pick vayne or lucian and kite you to death even with your rylais

Malicious Metal3 votes

Not like Bot lane's a 2v2 lane or anything where your support can lock them down.

DunkinNoobs2 votes

Bot lane Morde's been super strong for ages, but people are so biased against it that they decided it was terrible the moment it didn't have a 60% winrate anymore after the nerfs at the end of Season 5.

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