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Champs that aren't Tanks that build tank and still a massive amount of damage.

Gamer Gallade··3 votes·2,825 views

Ok There is something that's bugging me for a bit right now. I know this is the pre-season and things are crazy but for future patch this will not be ok.

Currently right now I have seen 3 champions that deal in insane amounts of damage due to base damage and nice scaling on them.

Karma: say as you must. Right now this Champion is flat out busted due to her most recent tank build that is slowly showing up in top lane. And her damage can bring a squishy champ to health with just her q. Even with she doesn't use her Mantra, Her q deals a crap ton. Not to long ago I got one shot by her q and she had 2 APitem 3151 &item 3285 items that deleted me instantly with just her q.

It blows my mind on how much damage she deals she puts out and people are building her into tank. But Over all she is broken as hell in my opinon but she a strong mid and support. I know she is ok but shes gonna be a problem very soon.

Fizz : Yes, Tank Fizz has returned... We all know the nightmare when Fizz runs item 3078 & item 3068.

I'm glad they changed his w to be better in all in combo. It opened up his Tank build back again. Bad enough he can tilt hard. His tilting power in his tank build is just raised his w damage amplifier into insane levels.

His damage is great but his w is over tuned and his active gives him_** Triple **_ of his w damage. Yes you read this right, Triple. If it was double damage it would be good, it just enforces his full AP assassin he is meant to be.

I still remember that Fizz is weak early game but people are taking him jungle because of his w amplifier damage that refunds his mana and reduces the cool down is great for jungle clear. I can just see the raptors giving him all his mana and then some... But Hey. Fizz is Fizz. Created absolutely to ruin your match if you dont keep an item 2049 on him, he will kill everyone.

Last but not least...

Rengar: Murder Kitty and the cat that got the 3rd rework but not as much as the blue man with a massive scroll on his backRyze.

Riot... I'm giving props on making him right this time. Better counter play and actually got a hunter feel better. Q is cool and his w is great because its like his second wind of his thirst for the hunt. And his ult is fair in curtain levels.

Why i say curtain levels, His free crit is a massive no no and it gives his one shot problem again. His damage is still through the roof because of this crit problem. Because of his crit, they will build item 3071 & item 3031 and then go full tank like no man's business.

The w is fine to last in fights but being immune to crowd control effects for 1.5 secs is like Malzahar bubble all over again but worse because it has that extra .5 seconds in there... All the cc in the world will not stop his murder spree when he has it up.

Ok. Rant aside.

These Champions are strong but they should at least be a little squishy to deal all that damage they want but not be tanky as full stacked Chogath and still an insane amount of damage towards you.

This is almost the same mistake as Ekko & Akali

Please for the love of AurelionSol fix this problem before it gets out of hand.

6 Comments

feryvunny4 votes

Yes x100 to the Rengar rework. His free crit, literally free AD passive, and CC immunity is why tank Rengar is possible.

He gets AD too easily to where he can have 350+ with 2.5 items. That's absurd. I saw a Rengar with 356 only having warriors, ghost blade, pickaxe, and a serrated dirk. Mind you, ghost blade also only gives 60 AD now. So the fact that he still managed to hit 356 is insane. On a normal carry that would only be like ~250 AD or less.

That free AD passive scales his free crit damage to utter broken levels. The free crit on his ult just eliminates any 1 shot counterplay that was intended or ever possible. If he gets ahead and stacks his passive with IE, he will probably kill you in one ult-AA or ult-AA-Q.

Riot said they wanted to change the assassin's burst windows. I think they failed miserably with Rengar. He needs nerfs, without a doubt.

PS. I didn't know fizz tank was a possible thing either. Greaaaaat lol

PSS. certain not curtain

Gamer Gallade1 votes

I can show you on the Tank Fizz returned and we know how dumb Rengar is.

He does a make a good point on now dumb this build and says the whole build more clearly then i do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_NOJLxB4ic

As for Tank Karma, there is a build that is retarded as hell.

One thing is that her damage isn't the problem but her heals and shielding power is the problem then expected. Shes is flat out broken as f**k and is due for a nerf very soon. And trust me Tank Karma is slowly picking up and when this hits the LCS or any big League event that show that build. Shes gonna be perma banned or picked in any match she isn't banned.

feryvunny1 votes

Jesus that was so retarded. The damage that the tank fizz's ultimate did on the Jhin was just dumb. Pretty sure the ultimate alone did 1/3 of his hp at least.

You know the sad thing is, everything Phylol said about tank Rengar was kinda mentioned by PBE testers like Pants are Dragon. You'd think this shit wouldn't make it out of PBE, but I guess Riot is just stalling it out until shit really hits the fan for who knows what reason. They cannot for the life of them properly balance assassins -_-

Yeah I've faced against tank Karma and it too is just retarded. So much shields, ms boosts, and she just eats all of your damage and roots you to get anal'd by her team.

I just hope this stuff is at least on Riot's radar. I've been checking the pbe patch notes to see if there's anything, but so far nothing on Rengar/Fizz /Karma. Comon Riot, get your shit together.

Erockandroll1 votes

None of this is actually that surprising, also, those are bruiser builds. Tank builds wouldn't have an offensive item at all.

  1. Karma shouldn't have to build tank items. Her utility scaling means that she should have shields for days, just by building enough AP and CDR.

  2. It's not like Riot ever intends to completely trash Bruiser build Fizz. (Or Ekko for that matter) Yet those champs maintain that duality all because any Assassin designed to synergize with Lichbane is going to synergize with any other sheen item.

  3. If I wanted to go fighter on Rengar, I would have stopped, at BC, probably following it up with a SV to synergize with his W heal. And that kind of build is much more reliant on CDR, but your can get CDR from both offensive and defensive items.

Gamer Gallade1 votes

I have proof that Tank Karma is a thing and its is just dumb as hell. her heal is just too much and her damage is still while building tank, there which is just idiotic.

Damage aside. There is only one AP item that makes her good item 3027 (which is fine really) and there is one broken item item 3107 here but that is for another story here.

http://www.lolking.net/guides/388848

People are winning with this and this is just nasty in so many levels. I have to give credit to this man for making into Diamond V with nothing but Tank Karma Top. Because this is just broken beyond believe and that is why i mention Karma because of this problem.

As for Tank Rengar & Fizz. There are plenty videos that are talking about the subject and as well know, people will abuse it until it gets nerfed or changed.

To be honest, I just dont like the fact that this problem is happening right now. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

MaRkEnGaR1 votes

Im not gonna talk about all Champions Here because i don't know alot about them but my main rengar Well Lets First talk about he W , The W is bothering you because it removes All crowd Control Fine , Let me ask you a question have you played Old rengar ? Whether your Answer yes or no Let me explain why did they Make W Like that because in old Rengar It was almost impossible to play against team who has tanks with CC or control mage Such as Malzahar Totally Impossible Because once you jump in you will get CCed by everyone in the team which makes your Chance of killing someone as nearly as impossible and that is why Rengar wasn't playable in High elos nor LCS and Worlds because He lost his Ability on killing People During team fights and the Ability to Start the Engaging in the team Fights As a Rengar Main i had to stop playing Rengar or Rarely playing him because of that Problem , He could only be playable when you get a team with good Engage and then you still have to Choose the Perfect time to Engage otherwise you will still get Deleted and that will lead eventually your team to die and lose the Team Fight ,But Right now there is a chance to play against such teams because you can use your ultimate Get in if you managed to get a kill then that is good and if you didn't you still have a chance to fallback and Re engage again with your team insted of getting Deleted with CC champions And btw a good timed CC ability after Rengar uses his W will be Enough to take him down So skills has a turn to play here .

Well that is for The W lets talk about R : Im not gonna Ask you the Same Question again about playing the old rengar or not but Lets just talk About the Old rengar ulti Rengar as A champ Lack mobility and As every Assassin has an ability to escape ,Rengar only had His ultimate Just lIke talon and being Invisible was a big part of it And that is something i really miss in the old rengar ,OfCourse there was a small Delay before gettting Invisible but in most Cases you can get invisible in the right time with Some vision Around you , While now Rengar ultimate Gives him Movement Speed Immediately but he is now Camouflaged not Invisible which gonna make Escaping from the Enemy Vision after using your ultimate kinda hard Specially if they have CC Which means Rengar Has no Acutal Escape right now Except small Movement speed buff from His ultimate and His Passive , Not only that but Also when you use your ultimate in order to Engage and start a team fight once you enter enemy vision range you either leap or getting attacked immeditately And that is one of the things that Made Rengar Risker to play So Giving him that Small Crit chance on his Ultimate is Acutally as Riot promised They gave Enemies a time to react and a vision of Rengar and they give Rengar some power to Elimante his Target which is the Main purpose of the Assassins So nerfing Him will only affect the Squishy Rengar who goes full Ad and that will force everyone To play Tanky Rengar And that will make the Problem Worse .

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