They refused to update Twisted Treeline to todays Summoner's Rift Level standards and they act surprised that the 3v3 mode didn't work out.
The fact that TFT is getting more content than Twisted Treeline has received in basically in all of it's existence is really depressing.
And the fact that those who were playing a ton of Twisted Treeline games get almost no reasonable reward. All we get is an Icon and an Emote.
Romans VI XXIII25 votesIKR, its almost as if the majority of the community didn't play TT due to it not counting for anything, and having no updates/balances. If they put HALF the effort into it as they are into TFT it would be an awesome mode with a-lot higher player base.
The same can be said with Dominion before it was removed.
Worst JG Wins10 votes[{quoted}](name=Romans VI XXIII,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mq6EX9Nx,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-11-07T15:12:58.854+0000)
IKR, its almost as if the majority of the community didn't play TT due to it not counting for anything, and having no updates/balances. If they put HALF the effort into it as they are into TFT it would be an awesome mode with a-lot higher player base.
The same can be said with Dominion before it was removed.
For years, literally years the best way to get IP and XP was to play TT. TT was the best rewards, it counted for the MOST of anything. Nobody played it cause the mode sucks and nothing Riot can do will change that.
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesNothing outside of completely changing the mode from the roots up, to the point where it isn't TT anymore in all but name.
Prestige Eve4 votes[{quoted}](name=Worst JG Wins,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mq6EX9Nx,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-11-07T15:47:21.944+0000)
For years, literally years the best way to get IP and XP was to play TT. TT was the best rewards, it counted for the MOST of anything. Nobody played it cause the mode sucks and nothing Riot can do will change that.
You couldn't do most missions on it, get masteries on it, etc. There was literally no incentive towards learning metas of that mode to begin with. The mode started getting flooded with bots when players realized Riot didn't keep an eye on it, then Riot removed all forms of rewards you could get from playing on it, then it got flooded with even more bots. For example, would anyone with one of the prestige passes ever waste their limited farm time on it.
MetalGearTeemo2 votesOr you know, remove the bots, that were never, ever, addressed. People quit playing TT because it was a nomans land that riot refused to police.
Kinda like Dominan, they just didn't give a fuck. They still don't, unless tencent tells them specifically what to give a fuck about.
TwitchInMyPants3 votes[{quoted}](name=Worst JG Wins,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mq6EX9Nx,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-11-07T15:47:21.944+0000)
For years, literally years the best way to get IP and XP was to play TT. TT was the best rewards, it counted for the MOST of anything. Nobody played it cause the mode sucks and nothing Riot can do will change that.
You know most people don't give a shit about XP right? Its good when you're farming for a new account, which is why the mode is littered in bots. Even if they care most people play SR or ARAM once they have their champions. But as Eve pointed out that's the only incentive system they tied to the mode. Saying its the "best rewards" is just lying.
And as for the mode sucking, you're right but wrong. TFT has had periods where it was more stable as a community and had (slightly) more updates but it would never be SR. By design it was meant to be a side mode with similar gameplay. 3v3 format on its own does promote different teamcomps but Riot never did the aggressive balancing that SR got so they let different metas run rampant. Very early on it was Singed and Mundo running all over the tiny map dominating in a bruiser meta. Progress after the map rework into now, its a meta based on funneling gold into a carry jungler (a meta they actively nerfed on SR for being extremely toxic btw). They just let the game be ridiculously unbalanced and left it to die, saying there's nothing that could be done when nothing was attempted is dumb.
Wet Dryman4 votesDunno how other people but I stopped playing TT regularly and often shortly after its update back in Season 3 (still played it from time to time whenever I felt like experimenting or playing champions that on SR were subpar though very rarely). Changes or lack thereof in my case didn't have any impact on it, revamped TT just inherently sucked monkey balls. It still pains me though that instead of reworking it once time more and competently they just get rid of it for good.
R0ses R Red15 votesI don't care that TT is leaving, but it's undeniable that Riot has done the mode dirty. I just hope that we eventually get another 3v3, but one that's jungler-less or has 3 lanes. Joust(a 3v3 mode with little more than a single lane) was my favorite mode in Smite, so it's clear TT itself introduces unnecessary flaws.
Violet Fields11 votesChinese company needs to just scrap the game and call it quits. We're 10 years in the making, and other games have like 5-6 maps at a MINIMUM, I get tired of playing Summoner's Rift, every, single, game. You might as well just call the game "Summoner's Rift", because this isn't "League of Legends" anymore.
Lovelle9 votesUnpopular opinion that I agree with. I don't understand most LoL players and how they actually enjoy less diversity compared to other games. We have exponentially less variety than we did 5 years ago.
xelaker3 votesTencent company is making money like nuts with league, why on earth would you stop it?
Tomoe Gozen2 votesPlay ARAM or TFT then. There is variety, you just don't like that kind of variety. You want YOUR variety and that's an issue because over the years, we had many RGMs but Riot made it explicitly clear that they are temporary modes and even had the graphs to prove that the player retention during any of those doesn't even rival SR's or ARAM's consistency. The same is true for TFT now so Riot did eventually find a game mode many players do enjoy, that draws from the League experience but isn't actually typical League of Legends game.
The one announced map that was said to be a 6v6 mode, was supposed to be Magma Chamber but aside from the early announcement - nothing came out of it. Riot (in my opinion) correctly identified that drawing from the same core SR experience but just repacked into a different visual wasn't going to cut it in the long run, given that people simply default back to the experience that's the most familiar to them.
TT had the exact same premise, except on a smaller map. It played virtually the same as SR but it was shorter and it had its own meta. And it was reworked entirely too! That didn't give it the boost needed to sustain itself as today, you see where it ended up.
KFCeytron1 votesChinese company needs to just scrap the game and call it quits. We're 10 years in the making, and other games have like 5-6 maps at a MINIMUM, I get tired of playing Summoner's Rift, every, single, game. You might as well just call the game "Summoner's Rift", because this isn't "League of Legends" anymore.
Your match history has nothing but this "Summoner's Rift" that you're "tired of playing," and you play it for hours a day, every single day.
7thHeaven1 votesHahahaha, not a single TT game in history [zombie-brand-facepalm]
vgamedude6 votesI love tft but I also wanted to see twisted treeline get more attention.
Saezio6 votesLet's hope they introduce RGM or Nexus blitz in place of TT.
It was inherently a mode that was not worth investing time into imo. In 3v3 there are countless ways to cheese the game, and teaming up created much bigger advantages than in the rift where you are only allowed duo at maximum.
I would rather see a deathmatch map or something introduced. TFT is a different game than league. Riot are treating it as such, it just shares a client with league and some name tags on champions, nothing more.
ModAcademy Kayn5 votesBut I actually like playing TFT. I didn't like to play TT, and it getting visually updated or balance updates wasn't going to get me to play it either.
StonePlatypus1 votes[{quoted}](name=Academy Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mq6EX9Nx,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-11-07T15:22:46.135+0000)
But I actually like playing TFT. I didn't like to play TT, and it getting visually updated or balance updates wasn't going to get me to play it either.
You like random luck based win game mode? That is so odd, lol.
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesSure there's some random luck, but luck and random based outcomes can be found in tons of games, from war games to even MTG. There's still plenty in personal skill to be able to win in TFT though, as long as you don't require to be 1st every single game.
SiG DxD5 votesRIP
used to play 1 game at least of 3v3 with less players than SR now its gone and they dont care
Jonesybones4 voteswheres your proof..... because you are just assuming. Also Twisted treeline wasn't very popular. but they could of left it in as a norm mode.
Magnesium141 voteswheres your proof..... because you are just assuming. Also Twisted treeline wasn't very popular. but they could of left it in as a norm mode.
Common sense TT was not balanced at all with no apprioptiate changes doen to the map for a long time then as soon as TFT comes and riot starts profitting from it they remove TT for TFT
Jonesybones1 votesNo thats just you assuming. Like i said TT was not popular. And TFT is. Correlation does not imply causation.
Magnesium141 votesNo thats just you assuming. Like i said TT was not popular. And TFT is. Correlation does not imply causation.
That phase assumes that their is no logical evidence but their is. Unmaintained mode, in terms of balance, gets no play. Riot obviously is surprised. How can a mode, full with bots in blind and having an unbalanced rank, receive little play? As soon as TFT is released which provides riot with money, its obvious. Riot decides to dedicate the remaining server space and devs, who are making sure TT isn't pure garbage, to TFT. They said they wanted to focus more on their bigger games, and common sense tells us their not talking Summners Rift or ARAM.
It's so obvious.
Jesi Oni4 votes🤣 No
TT is being removed because it was unpopular failure despite nostalgia of many... numbers dont lie. TFT is breaking records of popularity and thats why its going to be maintained. Blaming TFT because noone wants to play 3v3 makes no sense at all.
I played 3v3 only few times in custom with friends because there was six of us and we wanted to play together - was NEVER playing it again after that event.
JackMcCarry4 votesIt was never popular, sorry to tell you. Same with Nexus blitz (which i also enjoyed), they shared graphes, they shared their data, all these modes people are looking at with rose tinted glasses are and were - simply not being played, that's a fact, if they were popular - they would not get dropped. If TFT was a flop or a one week hit, Riot would drop it.
SpikedFruitPunch4 votesThat's a shame. I quite liked the unique items that area had, but the map and mode itself felt pretty left out in general maintenance while SR kept getting new changes and features about every season. Even ARAM gets polished up every now and then.
AmWhaleIRL4 votesTFT could've never been released and Riot still would have deleted TT. Stop blaming TFT simply because it's successful.
AnubisDeathtouch4 votesI've been saying this for years.. not about TFT, but about TT in general. It's the red-headed stepchild of LOL. I'm not sure why they bothered making it in the first place if they didn't care about it at all.
Ariel the Cruel4 votesThis entire topic seems to reside in a very familiar dominion... (>_>)
mack91123 votesTT was literally just full of bots because nobody enjoyed it.
season10balanced7 votesOnce you've played enough games in the mode there's no more bots, because each mode has its own MMR. Aram on new accounts with no MMR in that mode is full of bots too. And i've never encountered bots in ranked twisted.
Minarde1 votesNo, low-MMR TT is full of bots because Riot effectively pushed them there. Bots went to Co-Op because Riot changed custom game XP gains. Bots went to PvP because Riot changed Co-Op rewards. Dominion players mostly held off the bot invasion until Riot removed Dominion. With TT gone, the bots will just redistribute themselves again.
Prestige Eve2 votesTT was literally just full of bots because nobody enjoyed it.
Only the normal mode of TT was flooded with bots for a point I brought up in another post being; there was no incentive for players to play on it. The ranked TT mode had the whole climbing incentive and had no bots at all. Botters knew most people wouldn't be playing normals to begin with and had a 90% chance their bots would be playing against someone else's bots. They didn't touch ranked out of fear of their bots going against other players and then being banned from easy reports. I think the situation is pretty telling in that regard.
Pika Fox3 votesTft has nothing to do with it. TT was never popular.
Prestige Eve1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mq6EX9Nx,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-11-07T19:18:14.304+0000)
Tft has nothing to do with it. TT was never popular.
Are you sure about that? Little Legends is making them a lot of money, if the countless additions to them is any indication of that. TT was predictably shafted even harder as players said it would be when TFT was announced, then it turned out to be PERMANENTLY shafted once TFT was leaving beta. People already called that they would be killing game modes and events in order to pump resources into TFT way into its beta testing.
Pika Fox1 votes[{quoted}](name=Prestige Eve,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mq6EX9Nx,comment-id=00120000,timestamp=2019-11-07T21:21:44.423+0000)
Are you sure about that? Little Legends is making them a lot of money, if the countless additions to them is any indication of that. TT was predictably shafted even harder as players said it would be when TFT was announced, then it turned out to be PERMANENTLY shafted once TFT was leaving beta. People already called that they would be killing game modes and events in order to pump resources into TFT way into its beta testing.
This isnt new. No one has played TT since TT came out. Its no longer worth the resources to maintain it every patch.
Prestige Eve1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mq6EX9Nx,comment-id=001200000000,timestamp=2019-11-07T22:42:16.148+0000)
This isnt new. No one has played TT since TT came out. Its no longer worth the resources to maintain it every patch.
So you're going to completely ignore the points everyone has been making?
[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mq6EX9Nx,comment-id=001200000000,timestamp=2019-11-07T22:42:16.148+0000)
Its no longer worth the resources to maintain it every patch.
Or maybe you're intentionally feigning ignorance? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and believing you're not that stupid to think TT was ever being maintained to begin with. Seriously, did you actually just say they were using resources to maintain it, every patch even?
Pika Fox1 votes[{quoted}](name=Prestige Eve,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mq6EX9Nx,comment-id=0012000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-08T21:35:56.206+0000)
So you're going to completely ignore the points everyone has been making?
Or maybe you're intentionally feigning ignorance? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and believing you're not that stupid to think TT was ever being maintained to begin with. Seriously, did you actually just say they were using resources to maintain it, every patch even?
TT is tested and maintained every. single. patch. Everything is. It exists in the game, so every single change that is made HAS to be bugtested in all modes, TT included, to make sure things dont completely break. Its not maintained on a balance level, but the map itself has to be maintained.
Żügżwäng3 votesEveryone jumped on the AutoChess hype train, but it's already out of steam. I mean, the game just isn't very engaging.
A real shame.. Twisted Treeline was an awesome alternative to 5v5.
Sire Hippington3 votesTFT isn't the reason for TT beeing removed. TT would have been removed wether TFT or not, and TFT would have been made regardless of TTs existance, those tow have nothing to do with each other.
TT is just dominion all over, a great gamemode totally neglected both in balance, ingame progress and publicity that because of that neglect see little play and then get removed. It has nothing to do with a new mod taking it's place, it's just riot opting for an easy way out instead of putting effor into those modes.
CominTowardsYa2 votesTFT should die and go away.
Radio Daddy1 votesIdk if the lack of updates we're the reason it wasn't played, if the mode wasn't enjoyable then ofc the majority won't play it. Take Aram for example, barely anything but the mode has been exceptionally popular, especially since it added 2 new aspects to the game, which were forced random picks and constant team fights and whatnot
Smyrage1 votesI played TT and I'm among those, who think that mode was horrid. The game was designed for 5v5, a lot champions followed that principle. Due to this principle, it could never be balanced, because in 3v3 champions who are otherwise not really overloaded in the classic 5v5 can quickly become super oppressive in TT. Prime example is Kayn. Kayn isn't that oppressive in Summoner's Rift, because the map is bigger, but in TT he was a must pick in Jungle. Not to mention Supports were close to irrelevant there, because simply you played 1 Top 1 Jungle or 1 Bot, otherwise you are at disadvantage if the enemy runs this setup.
TFT isn't the reason nobody liked TT, that's just finding a scapegoat. TT was never really good and was never really popular, no matter how hard Riot tried to balance it, it's just unbalanceable and because people didn't really play it nor did they were bothered by its existence, so Riot left it in, but LoL just got expanded when TFT was introduced and I can imagine the game could get even bigger, so they retire a gamemode which was from days long gone by to save resources.
Sewer Side1 votesYeah, Legend of Runeterra is why TT is being scrapped.
I mean, Wild Rift is the reason why TT is getting scrapped.
Shit, I mean...
Lmao, TT fucking sucked. Stop pining the other IPs on the reason why it’s being trashed. TT was on life support since Season 5.
TwitchInMyPants1 votesTFT isn't the reason, Riot has already scrapped Dominion and have barely put in any work into Nexus Blitz kinda just letting it simmer in beta. They've also completely scrapped modes like Magma Chamber in alpha and they made a version for All Stars that is a completely different map but never let us play it. That and they also were looking to entirely scrap alternate game modes in general this year because they aren't happy with the numbers they're getting. And leading up to this they refused to do anything but Ascencion, Poro King, and the occaissional URF. Odyssey and Star Guardians were exceptions but they were also game modes made to sell skins and Riot STILL thinks they're unsuccessful.
TFT being successful just funnels more resources into it, but if it never exited TT would still get ignored by Riot because they never had much interest in it. If TFT didn't do hot we'd likely just be getting ARURF once every several months and nothing else since they've had a pattern of neglecting pretty much everything that isn't Summoner's Rift. The fact they're also diverting resources into entirely different game projects also likely plays a part in why other game modes were struggling the past few years.
Glamazon1 votesReminds me of what happened to dominion. I still miss it.
lolipopevelynn1 votesThey refused to update Twisted Treeline to todays Summoner's Rift Level standards and they act surprised that the 3v3 mode didn't work out.
The fact that TFT is getting more content than Twisted Treeline has received in basically in all of it's existence is really depressing.
And the fact that those who were playing a ton of Twisted Treeline games get almost no reasonable reward. All we get is an Icon and an Emote.
What's funny is that legends of runetera will completely destroy tft even tho it will be on a different client.
Brid01 votesI have been playing league for 6 seasons. When i started to play instantly i started play twisted treeline at normal queue due the lower match time in comparasion to summoners. Summoners would be great if a match ranked wasn´t 50minutes per match , lategame one mate there goes greedy and thats it 50 minutes wasted but what i got in twisted is that have moore teamplay due the map is smallest , dunno what they are thinking about but if they wouldn´t update twisted atleast let it into a normal queue , anyway just tried once tft and i say if aram get removed in a future too i would stop play league of legends without a doubt , about twisted riot be like : It's the same in agriculture, planting and not watering and you complain that the plant dies.
