is vi considered as a "cancer" champ ?

Ryùuzaki··1 votes·1,809 views

so i main that girl and for some reason i keep getting flamed by the other team's adcs i mean is she considered as a type of champions like garen and trynda... and sorry for using the word "cancer" at least thjat' what they call it

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Truly Prideful5 votes

If you are beating someone, you're always playing a "cancer" champion. That's basically how this game works. I don't personally have any issues with Vi, you can force her into bad situations if you react quickly when she locks on with her ult.

thewire6663 votes

well her ult has no counterplay :/

Ralanr1 votes

Death.

But beyond that, yeah.

kaltenashes2 votes

guess you didnt play her enough

Fizz's troll pole, vlad's pool, elise's spider jump, tahm kench's devour ally being ulted (i think its not a bug and its still happens) item 3157 item 3102

thewire6661 votes

So if i am the adc, i have to pick elise or vlad adc. Seems counterplayeable

kaltenashes1 votes

the ideal is that qss but since it doesnt

you can build item 3102

thewire6661 votes

So first someone poke you (like xerath Q) and then ult. it is quite useless in tf

kaltenashes1 votes

i never said this item was good, i hate it so much, maybe its my fault being bad at dodge

but it does block vi's ult

dangopee3 votes

She's one of the most balanced champions.

Francisco Pires2 votes

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She's one of the most balanced champions.

how?

dangopee1 votes

Dead 50% win rate. Right in the middle of the jungler champion pool.

Francisco Pires3 votes

She has the burst of an assassin, while being really tanky. Has LOTS of mobility which means engage and escape. lots of cc. One of the few champs I think is op

dangopee3 votes

If she is "really tanky" she is not going to be "burst assassinating" anyone unless they are way behind. She has to build damage to do damage. There's nothing wrong with that.

Francisco Pires3 votes

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If she is "really tanky" she is not going to be "burst assassinating" anyone unless they are way behind. She has to build damage to do damage. There's nothing wrong with that.

Except that she'ill keep being tanky and unlike other champions that deal dmg while being tanky (bruiser, fighters, juggernauts, whatever), she has more mobility than most champions (ABSURD range Q and R), and lots of cc.

dangopee2 votes

Vi is not tanky. She has no tank steroids in her kit except her crappy passive (if you can even call that a steroid) and her base tank stats are average at best. Once she commits to someone either her team follows up or she will die. She has no escape.

Francisco Pires1 votes

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Except that she'ill keep being tanky and unlike other champions that deal dmg while being tanky (bruiser, fighters, juggernauts, whatever), she has more mobility than most champions (ABSURD range Q and R), and lots of cc.

she just need trinity force to kill adcs in 3 hits, she can build 3 or 4 tank item and deal insane damage.

dangopee1 votes

she just need trinity force to kill adcs in 3 hits, she can build 3 or 4 tank item and deal insane damage.

This is a false statement. Only if she happens to crit.

BluePolarizer3 votes

Vi is an amazing champ. Remember you are playing in low elo so these ADCs don't know how to position, kite or do anything other than stand there, auto and hope they don't get focused.

Moulin Rouge2 votes

She's kind of the toxic material no one wants to talk about or else you'll have your head ripped off by bruiser mains. So in this case, lets just allow her to go along being ridiculous and move on.

We don't need to start a war. They have more numbers on GD.

kaltenashes1 votes

oh yeah, she's so toxic material, so op with a HUGE play rate, and if she's doing bad she can easily 1vs2 with her eyes closed

vi sucks so much against moderately farmed shyvana she's such a threat

Big Lincoln2 votes

yeah

really non-interactive gameplay, too much burst combined with her great sustained damage, and gets relatively durable to boot

i think most bruisers are unhealthy designs, wouldn't mind seeing a group rework for them

Francisco Pires2 votes

Vi's like an Ad diana, but with more mobility and cc.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

I don't think there is a single other champion in LoL that has ever driven me mad as much as Vi. Vi gets super tanky and does damage like a fed Akali. Its frustrating to play against.

Colgate Minuette1 votes

Two gap closing CC's

Stupid damage on her W

Long range CC

Low cooldowns

That's why.

4thHorsman1 votes

As a Vi main, she is way overpowered if you build her right. She is one of the best assassins and can burst down ANYONE in a 1v1 fight.

Espy Psyche1 votes

Vi is not a tank. She has no defense in her kit aside from her passive, which is extremely weak.

What makes her tanky is the items she builds. Because she has percentile damage, attack speed, and armor shred in her kit, she can deal sufficient damage with only two straight damage items item 3930 item 3153 (or one straight damage and two hybrids item 3930 item 3748 item 3091 ) so her other items can be full tank items like item 3143 item 3102 . But she still doesn't deal the kind of damage that a marksman can put out.

What I don't understand is how people build Warrior on her and win. She's a three hits to win champion (same as Diana Ekko Gnar Vayne Jax ). On a three hits to win champion (if they're melee since the Devourer nerf) you build Devourer and make the three hits into two hits. Vi, Diana, Jax, Ekko, they're all ridiculous with devourer.

Ryùuzaki1 votes

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Vi is not a tank. She has no defense in her kit aside from her passive, which is extremely weak.

What makes her tanky is the items she builds. Because she has percentile damage, attack speed, and armor shred in her kit, she can deal sufficient damage with only two straight damage items item 3930 item 3153 (or one straight damage and two hybrids item 3930 item 3748 item 3091 ) so her other items can be full tank items like item 3143 item 3102 . But she still doesn't deal the kind of damage that a marksman can put out.

What I don't understand is how people build Warrior on her and win. She's a three hits to win champion (same as Diana Ekko Gnar Vayne Jax ). On a three hits to win champion (if they're melee since the Devourer nerf) you build Devourer and make the three hits into two hits. Vi, Diana, Jax, Ekko, they're all ridiculous with devourer.

cuz people can reset her aa with her e that's a 3 hits to win and trust me i play her with warrior& black cleaver i kill every single adc with the q aa e

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

in my eyes, things that have no serious counterplay mechanics are cancer. vi has counterplay in all of her kit and even tho her ultimate is uninterruptable, it still has plenty of counterplay before and after.

things that have no counterplay: irelias stun, yasuos windwall, lee sins kick (number one cancer in the game), corkis "the package" and ofcourse plenty more things, but these are some i can think off from the top of my head.

vi is pretty cool and i respect her.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

Her kit is really polarizing because her ult has insane lockdown with damage on top of it. I think her ult needs some work, and the lead designer on her said as much in an interview about a year ago.

So in that sense, you could argue she is... but they also toned down her ult damage to compensate, and I'd argue she's in a decent spot right now.

kaltenashes1 votes

nah, she's good in laning phase and a bit of mid picking off people, but her late game isnt that good and if you have a tank in the team you can make it slightly worse

i learned jungle with her got around 60K masteries, i stopped playing because lately i'm missing a lot of my q....a lot

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