How is it even possible for matchmaking to be so lopsided?

DOUBLE TAPPED E·Jul 16, 2019·15 votes·7,940 views

Seriously how did I end up with my top, jg, and bot lane all against enemies on massive winstreaks, while my teammates are on loss streaks or autofilled.

In role order from top to support, winrates for my team were: 35%, 48%, 55% (me), 44%, 48% In role order from top to support, winrates for the enemy team were: 58%, 58%, 55%, 51%, 52%

How is this balanced matchmaking?

https://app.mobalytics.gg/pre-game/na/willofnoxus/3095773208

For the first 10 mins of the game I was the only one who had gotten a kill, and the only one who hadn't died. I swear to god this is so stupid. Stop putting me with these people, they don't deserve to win and I don't deserve to be forced to try in vain to carry them.

24 Comments

Silent ReaperJul 16, 20195 votes

If you wonder why games feel one sided its because Riot made gameplay changes so games in general end sooner which usually results in "oh we lost the first 10min, GG".

The despair of waiting 10min for inevitable defeat is way worse than having games last 10min longer but having a actual chance of making a comeback.

CoffeeBarrelsJul 16, 20193 votes

Buy a skin, idk but every time i buy a skin i go into winstreaks, Riot accepts bribes confirmed.

DOUBLE TAPPED EJul 16, 20192 votes

Oddly enough, shortly after I bought Battle Academia Katarina and a few chromas, I started getting very solid teams every night when I would play... : / Conspiiiiiiracyyyyyyyy?

Maybe my pay to win aura has worn off.

Nea104Jul 16, 20193 votes

Normal and Aram matchmaking systems are also awful, and you can see it better there (ie, level 45 vs. Plat 4; but you have a different MMR there! ...lol, please).

The saddest thing is that this company keeps telling you that everything is fair and working as intended.

HEAljvLykdJul 16, 20192 votes

if you can't carry them then you won't win

DOUBLE TAPPED EJul 16, 20193 votes

They appeared to be doing everything in their power to avoid allowing me to carry them. I was 5/0 in the early game, but it didn't matter because EVERY SINGLE TIME Lucian or Darius got to lane they just ran it down.

Lucian actually was going for plates AFTER hearing "Enemy team has slain the dragon!" I pinged him back and he just kept going, even dashed at the turret to get a double shot, and still didn't get the plate, then dies to a 4 man gank that an Iron player would have seen coming. How am I in the same elo with these people?

A Sutpid IdotJul 16, 20191 votes

They may be feeling the same way. They might be on a loss streak because of teammates you're experiencing

DOUBLE TAPPED EJul 16, 20191 votes

The fact that not a single person on my team has an overall positive winrate this season suggests otherwise.

Sona PingJul 16, 20191 votes

match link

DOUBLE TAPPED EJul 16, 20197 votes

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match link

https://app.mobalytics.gg/pre-game/na/willofnoxus/3095773208

EVERY MEMBER of my team has a sub-50% winrate except me. Darius is 35%.

EVERY MEMBER of the enemy team has an above-50% winrate, with 3 of them above even my own winrate of 55%.

Sona PingJul 16, 20191 votes

Didn't work. What's the champion, time, KDA?

DOUBLE TAPPED EJul 16, 20194 votes

Try copying the text and pasting it into the address bar, but the tl;dr is this with my team on the left:

Top: 35% winrate vs 58% winrate Jg: 48% winrate vs 58% winrate Mid: 55% winrate vs 55% winrate ADC: 44% winrate vs 51% winrate Support: 48% winrate vs 52% winrate

I was the ONLY PERSON on my team with a positive winrate this season. If matchmaking had just switched the top laners, or the junglers, we would have actually had a fairly even match.

Sona PingJul 16, 20192 votes

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https://app.mobalytics.gg/pre-game/na/willofnoxus/3095773208

EVERY MEMBER of my team has a sub-50% winrate except me. Darius is 35%.

EVERY MEMBER of the enemy team has an above-50% winrate, with 3 of them above even my own winrate of 55%.

Found it anyway. I could talk about how those percentages are not accurate, and how both of those statements end up not being true because of that.

We will do this instead.

Adam is Gold 1. He loses a bunch of games, gets a negative win rate and goes down to Gold 3. David wins some games against Gold 5 and 4 players and with his positive win rate climbs to Gold 3. Who is the better player?

DOUBLE TAPPED EJul 16, 20192 votes

Those percentages are just total ranked wins divided by total ranked losses for season 9, I'd actually be fascinated to read why they are inaccurate.

And the answer is David, because he's currently playing well and climbing, and shouldn't be forced to make up for Adam's recent subpar performance.

TheBrothersGrymmJul 16, 20191 votes

your both wrong, the skill of a player cant be realistically measured that way, the guy losing may be losing because of his team feeding, or a throw while ahead there are many factors, and the guy winning could be on a hot streak or getting the better coinflip games, if your gold your gold, if you aint high diamond and above, in reality we all suck

DOUBLE TAPPED EJul 16, 20192 votes

The site actually contains much more than just win percentages and KDAs, it has in-depth analysis of every aspect of a players performance tracked over the entire season. I use it to identify areas that I need to improve, and it's helped me climb from mid-silver to mid-gold in a single season with less than 5 matches per week some weeks.

I say that to say this: My teammates scored below average for the elo I'm in when it comes to every single metric that the site keeps track of. They tunnel, they don't ward, they don't play around their fed teammates, they don't play for objectives, they are too aggressive in lanes where they are at an obvious disadvantage, and so on and so forth.

If I'm in the correct elo, they are not.

TheBrothersGrymmJul 16, 20191 votes

Also, I see where your coming from, but it is a fact that some players just are in the wrong rank, some get really lucky with teammates, and it does happen on rare occasion ofcourse we all have bad games, i hate how the ranked system works, hate how it puts matches together, but we stuck with it, i should look up my stats, they prolly terrible

DOUBLE TAPPED EJul 16, 20192 votes

Honestly they should just be matched with and against players of similar performance. We know that the game keeps track of more than just win / loss ratio and MMR, because a legit new player with poor KDA / farm can go on a win streak and stay in the normal queue, but a smurf with insane KDA + 10 cs/min can lose 3 games in a row and end up facing nothing but other smurfs until they hit 30 and queue for ranked.

TheBrothersGrymmJul 16, 20191 votes

TFT is ruining matchmaking, so many people playing TFT servers have to autofill/ put in different elo players so que times stay low

DOUBLE TAPPED EJul 16, 20196 votes

I don't want low queue times, I want quality games. Also TFT is pretty trash, it's about as skill-dependent as shooting dice.

TheBrothersGrymmJul 16, 20191 votes

Buck i agree 100%, TFT is ruining league, and the fact riot is fast tracking its ranked even tho its filled with bugs and too much RNG is just sad, i stopped playing ranked since i hit gold like i do every season, so i play norms now, 90% of my norms im vs plats and diamonds shit i have even played vs 2 challenger players last week, the MMR of all ques is currently screwed and its all TFT's fault, i would rather have 10 min que times to play a fair game but rio hates us all.

i also played a norm where my 5 man team was gold, the enemy was 2 grandmasters, 2 diamonds and 1 plat, needless to say you can see how that game went.

DOUBLE TAPPED EJul 16, 20192 votes

That's actually hilarious XD

I have to say though, I often look forward to seeing higher elo players in my normal games, especially as my lane opponent, because it means I get a chance to test myself against someone considered much better than me. Winning lane in those games is a pretty decent ego boost :P

TheBrothersGrymmJul 16, 20191 votes

i like it but hate it, when i play blind and im like oh ima play grasp gp for the hell of it, then relize im laning vs a D! 3mill mastery riven main im useless all game lol, but i have shit on my fair share of diamonds and plats its fun but id rather more fair games, and what i mean by that is im ok laning vs higher elos im not completely stupid, but when my silver/gold bot lane is vs a diamond dou the games over from minute one, or they have a diamond jungler and we have a gold, one is better one isnt its just how it goes

AFK at KeyboardJul 16, 20191 votes

Lopsided is this:

I lock in support Nami. ADC locks in Caitlyn. We're against a Jhin-Thresh. At some point they say they're smurfs and clearly play like they are.

We go from some early-game whatevers to the following -

The smurf-duo then progresses to full-on diving us and ends up with their ADC having a 500g bounty and then going 8/1.

Our ADC rage-quits before they even hit level 6.

Then the jungle blames us for losing not just the lane but the whole game. Mid lost 2/7. Top went AFK then returned so their lane was allowed to free-farm. And our entire team refuses to surrender and proceeds to feed even more and it's still my fault while the enemy duo is literally bming in chat and bragging about smurfing.

But somehow it's my fault.

I get matched with golds and silvers and end up getting the shit kicked out of me. How is that my ELO? I'm fine being iron or bronze, or whatever. Previously I was always mid-silver. But holy fuck. I know Riot can't reasonably do anything about smurfing but how in the hell is a match like that every single fucking time I queue for ranked balanced and fair?