twitch nerfed=-6 AD +halved damage on his E at lvl 1

KONO RUBICK DA·Sep 30, 2015·121 votes·5,452 views

Vayne nerfed for the same reason as twitch= -3 AD with a compensation in late game why??

"because riot"

58 Comments

SaiannaSep 30, 201523 votes

Twitch nerf was expected. After all Riot heavily buffed his R by whole 4 damage!

Imo this nerf is still too small. Seriously. Change his stealth to:

Needs 10s to activate Stealth time 0,5s MS speed reduced to 1 while stealthed. Passive poison heals target for (3+Twitch level)*15 per stack

That will fix him for sure!

ShosukoSep 30, 20151 votes

omg -- they prolly do this --

ChaosThiefSep 30, 20152 votes

(3+Twitch level) * 15 %max HP true damage is the only way to balance twitch, obviously.

His GoatlinessSep 30, 20152 votes

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Twitch nerf was expected. After all Riot heavily buffed his R by whole 4 damage!

Imo this nerf is still too small. Seriously. Change his stealth to:

Needs 10s to activate Stealth time 0,5s MS speed reduced to 1 while stealthed. Passive poison heals target for (3+Twitch level)*15 per stack

That will fix him for sure!

/s

Crying about twitch is like crying about twitch. It's nonsensical and you should feel bad for doing it.

EDIT: if you were being sarcastic, I'm retarded. if not my point stands true.

iamleburkOct 1, 20156 votes

/s means sarcasm

His GoatlinessOct 1, 20152 votes

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/s means sarcasm

Never seen that one before. Intredasting, thanks.

iamleburkOct 1, 20151 votes

TransgressorSep 30, 201512 votes

Why? Because ADC changes are coming in preseason, so they are preparing everything for the roundup.

"BECAUSE RIOT"

ignorance is bliss

KONO RUBICK DASep 30, 20153 votes

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Why? Because ADC changes are coming in preseason, so they are preparing everything for the roundup.

"BECAUSE RIOT"

ignorance is bliss

every tanks were olafed even if tanks items changes were comming

riot favoritism at it finest aka "because riot"

TransgressorSep 30, 20157 votes

You've just been presented with solid facts about why you're wrong, you keep at it with the same little poem of yours.

Textbook ignorance.

PS. No tank was olafed, AT ALL.

SteelflameSep 30, 20154 votes

No, but a lot of them got nerfed somewhat, then Cinderhulk that they were using got nerfed, and then armor itemization got carved up, and then Devourer was buffed into one of the best anti-tank jungle items by far.

So while they themselves were not nerfed by much overall individually, with the collective changes they took a pretty decent beating.

BiffoloOct 1, 20151 votes

It's very possible they learned from that mistake and are trying not to make it again.

KONO RUBICK DAOct 1, 20151 votes

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You've just been presented with solid facts about why you're wrong, you keep at it with the same little poem of yours.

Textbook ignorance.

PS. No tank was olafed, AT ALL.

list me a viable tank right now that can compet with juggernaut or do his job

sion is shit seju can't even be played gragas got his main damage spell nerfed and cinderhulk aoe damage nerfed

every tanks are bad, and it's a feast of bruisers right now. the only one is amumu because he can use runeglaive correctly.

GorgannanOct 1, 20151 votes

Gragas was too good at assassinating squishies.

Sejuani has plenty of CC, doing the job of a tank just fine. You want them to have the damage of a bruiser.

Rammus.

RozzetaOct 1, 20151 votes

It would be nice to have changes referring to a future ADC rework to only impact when said adc rework is out. Otherwise it's rather pointless to have a champion in a weaker state for a couple patches until the final solution comes out. Evelynn players will tell you that.

TransgressorOct 1, 20151 votes

Before you lay foundations for a structure, you first have to check what's the ground's consistency, so as to effectively create a compound that will hold the structure.

I don't know if that analogy was good.

RozzetaOct 1, 20151 votes

Not really. It was the same think as before they gave Pantheon buffs, when they nerfed his ultimate a patch before. It'd only make sense in cases like Zed, a champion released before the preseason item changes, and balanced around said changes (balancing him from release for a game that would change radically in a month was just a waste of effort). For this itemization overhauls, it only makes sense to make balance changes during or after the thing itself, as the foundation is the game you already have. It's possible however that the changes would have a high impact on him or that his skills will have a mini rework along with it, so they are performing changes now in order to not show the entire changes along with any rework performed on him (similar to the effect of a placebo, the changes will make it seem he's increasing in power more).

AdanChristoSep 30, 20154 votes

because of noob trash children that semi-play this game then run to cry to the boards when they get rekt

KONO RUBICK DASep 30, 201515 votes

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because of noob trash children that semi-play this game then run to cry to the boards when they get rekt

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/37563787#matches

you lost against vayne, and call me trash rofl. If you can't do better don't bother to talk

Sound VoltexSep 30, 201544 votes

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http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/37563787#matches

you lost against vayne, and call me trash rofl. If you can't do better don't bother to talk

He also lost with vayne and won against vayne. Your point is irrelevant

KONO RUBICK DASep 30, 201511 votes

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He also lost with vayne and won against vayne. Your point is irrelevant

well anyway, building 2 IE + mobility boot on an ADC, taking heal+teleport we're not playing to the same game

Bootleg GaySep 30, 20154 votes

well anyway, building 2 IE + mobility boot on an ADC, taking heal+teleport we're not playing to the same game

Hey, he just wanted more crit and damage. And maybe he likes to go fast sometimes.

For CarthageSep 30, 201524 votes

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZGXxPy_odaI/UOImNFeViRI/AAAAAAAAE1g/wABFnvOsXU4/s1600/reasonable-pace.png

AutoreactiveCD4Sep 30, 20155 votes

I woudlve gone mobis, zeal, zephyr, zeal zeal but I guess everyone has their preferences.

MohawkBirdSep 30, 20153 votes

Don't forget Twin Shadows.

Auz the RipperSep 30, 201564 votes

EVERYONE has lost and won against vayne, she's in a third of all games It's impossible not to

MadraSep 30, 20158 votes

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EVERYONE has lost and won against vayne, she's in a third of all games It's impossible not to

You win this thread. Champions shouldn't be nerfed based off of popularity, but that doesn't discount the fact that people like to win, and will gravitate towards the champions that they feel give them the best opportunity to do so.

GorgannanOct 1, 20151 votes

True, but I think more often it's the idea that you may be able to carry.

It's the reason Lee Sin is popular even with a horrible winrate. He has a stigma of carrying. As does Ahri, Yi, Zed, Azir, and many others.

They have abysmal winrates because low elo's can't play them, but they "can carry."

Lady HammerlockOct 1, 20152 votes

how to win against vayne play quinn hunt her down all game after you get item 3031 item 3142 you will thank me later once you give her cancer

mikemcpartySep 30, 20156 votes

except he didn't really win... (went 5/18 and got carried)

DrNovaSep 30, 20156 votes

Speaking of children...

Burnt LightOct 1, 20151 votes

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Speaking of children...

Oh, look.

It's a child thinking he's an adult.

Hard PenetratorSep 30, 20154 votes

Probably because 40% of marksman players didn't play Twitch.

DalthineSep 30, 20154 votes

It's almost like they learned that sending a champ to the dumpster when more potential nerfs are on the way is a horrible idea.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Vayne get a much bigger nerf than this, but I also feel like destroying a champion so they become useless is just as bad as leaving her on top. Twitch fell from one of the best to one of the worst, rather than being brought into line like he should have been.

That's what I want to see: Champions brought into line so they can be balanced. Not champions thrown into the dumpster. Twitch didn't deserve it then, and Vayne doesn't deserve it now.

ReazaleOct 1, 20151 votes

Take a look at the 5 years of riot , do u really REALLY think they are going to nerf adcs? i bet this will be a buff of sorts... Riot wont do the change needed to bring them more in line to what they should be ( tank killers and not the single best dd class in the game that U MUST have and ur team revolves around lategame)

Silents429Sep 30, 20152 votes

You know next to those changes they have a paragraph of context behind it.

And if you didn't come to the board to whine like a bitch right away, you might have noticed where they are saving major changes due to the upcoming marksmen overhaul, where most marksmen and there items are getting changed.

AkesgerothOct 1, 20152 votes

Because Vayne is in the spot Zed used to be, AKA some dev is maining her right now so she won't get nerfed directly. Once some massive changes come which can't be reverted and she gets indirectly nerfed and she's no longer as good and that dev drops her, she'll get the nerfs she needs.

Doragon sureiyOct 1, 20152 votes

been gone 3 years and people still complain about twitch.

HEXXEN9xOct 1, 20151 votes

Yup, watch twitch wont be considard a benefactor of "marksman" update. Imma be flipping tables!

asamuOct 1, 20152 votes

You forgot the nerf on the time to enter stealth from 1 second to a max 3 to 3 seconds to a maximum of 6 that went with the damage nerfs...

That said, Twitch probably needs some buffs for his early game atm, as he's currently the worst ADC in lane. They reduced the maximum stealth time to 4.5 or whatever, and the mana cost (was usually irrelevant) but that just doesn't seem like much. Some amount of damage on the cask (Because it would have negligible impact on the late game due to autos being the majority of his damage) would be nice for lane harass if they don't want to increase his AD or anything.

Vayne also isn't particularly OP right now... She's strong late game, but she's also short ranged for an ADC, which makes her incredibly vulnerable as long as you know how to upgraded red trinket or pink ward, and she can't do anything vs point and click CC, because most point and click CC has more range than she does. IMO, they should just change the true damage to magic damage and see what happens... It would make it possible to build against her more effectively, but since she would be dealing hybrid damage, she would still be more difficult for tanks to deal with than other ADCs. That said, I think a slight nerf to Vayne's mid/late game would have been better than a nerf to her already mediocre early game.

WutsKrakenOct 1, 20151 votes

I agree Twitch needs some buffs bad, but he's definitely not the worst ADC in lane. Poison stacks and E spam will win trades vs hypercarries like Vayne or Kogmaw. As long as you aren't picking him vs Draven or Corki (WHY THE FK WOULD YOU DO THAT) he can win short trades and eventually outscale bullies

GorgannanOct 1, 20152 votes

To be fair, Twitch has an easier time catching you out than even Vayne, to the point a fed Twitch makes you want to afk.

Also his ult gives him insane range and AoE, so yeah, while Vayne is too strong, if I had to pick one of them to be absurdly broken, it would be her.

DengedenSep 30, 20151 votes

Let's see, Twitch actually performed well in LCS, to the point where he was pick or ban.

But that's beside the point, they're brushing over Vayne like that so she loses most skirmishes early game. The ADC rework is still incoming and they're waiting for that before they gut her, like I know they will. Thanks a lot.

Guy Fox TeemoSep 30, 20151 votes

Because there going to do Marksmen changes soon, so they don't want to Gut her, if she ends up being even worse after the changes.