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Ongoing Ahri Play Test Results (Link to PBE Thread)

Strident·1/18/2015, 5:21:29 PM·2 votes·1,383 views

Total Number of Games as Ahri: 9 Total Number of Games against Ahri in Lane: 1 Total Number of Games with Ahri as Ally: 2

Total: 12

Game 1: Ahri vs Ahri Notes:

  • Q harass much more powerful now due to escape mechanism.
  • Gank avoidance significantly improved.
  • Damage noticeably lower but laning presence much higher.
  • Challenger Ahri Skin: Fox-Fire seems to track targets significantly faster from cast time compared to live now. Missile speed also seems higher. Potential bug; must test on other skins as well. Tested with Popstar and Foxfire: same effect occurs.
  • Cooldown Reduction extremely effective due to Q speed up mechanic.
  • Sometimes effective to throw orb backwards to gain additional distance.
  • Orb grants % based movement speed.

Game 2: Ahri vs Kog’Maw Notes:

  • Ahri’s skillshot dodging potential is not significantly increased at early levels to due mana restrictions. Perhaps tear would be effective now?
  • Q is not more likely to hit targets with longer range than Ahri, except for the Q on the way back, given that it hit once before.
  • Running away with Q is extremely effective with mana regen.
  • Ahri seems to be overbearing when winning as she may Q through the tower and then escape aggro quickly.

Game 3: Orianna vs Ahri Notes:

  • Ahri may be susceptible to being out-stat’d, simply by virtue of tuning.
  • Charm is an inefficient mana sink at early levels.
  • Ahri trades autos well as she may run away by throwing Q

Game 4: Ahri vs Riven Notes:

  • Movement speed buff is not enough to outrun Riven Q without boots.
  • Due to mana restraints, E must still be treated as a certain kill ability as there is a significant damage difference at early levels.
  • Interesting Question: Would Alacrity or Furor be more effective?

Game 5: Ahri vs Leblanc Notes:

  • Furor does not have a large impact given the large Q speed boost and its similar cooldown with W. Will test Alacrity as it will benefit from percentage Q speed boost.
  • Q speed up is very effective for dodging Leblanc E.
  • CSing with Q while harassing has significantly improved, as well as healing with passive.
  • W by itself does noticeably much more damage.

Overall Comments:

  • Q speed up feels extremely good.
  • Damage is noticeably lower, but harassment options, healing, and gank avoidance options have all expanded.
  • W feels significantly more powerful thanks to damage increase.
  • W tracking rate difference feels very good to use.
  • Morellonomicon is potentially too powerful on Ahri due to spam.
  • Rylai’s is unexpectedly less powerful than anticipated due to the available options from Q speed up.
  • Ahri seems to be just as easy to zone out as before as long range mages since Q doesn’t actually improve range. Mages who target like Ryze may also be strong. Would like to play versus Xerath and Syndra.

Current Impression: Strong, potentially very strong, want to try alternative summoner spells, CDR is a must in the current state.

My set up: 21/0/9, 3 AP Quins, 9 Magi Pen Marks, 9 Health per level Seals, 9 MR Glyphes

Tested Item Build: Doran's Ring + 2 pots -> Sorcerer's Shoes + Morellonomicon -> Deathcap -> Rylai's/Void Staff/Hourglass

Please comment if you would like me to play test anything else Ahri relevant.

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14 Comments

Done251/18/2015, 8:40:10 PM3 votes

Please post this in all the threads about where people are complaining about how much these changes make her suck. They're failing to realize how much more mobile her Q speed boost makes her.

Also, I would suggest you try this build:

Ionian boots - Helps keep you safe in lane with more frequent Qs. Add in +5% cdr from the offensive mastery. Archangel - A cheap source of Mana and AP. The shield can protect you during a dive. Rod of Ages - Another cheap source of stats. Combines well with Archangel. Deathcap - AP boost. Morellonomicon - Gives you the other 20% cdr you need. Voidstaff - Late game MR penetration for Tanks and Fighters.

SmokingPuffin1/18/2015, 5:35:56 PM1 votes

Cool thread.

If you get Ahri versus melee matchup, can you test W max first build?

Strident1/19/2015, 1:23:43 AM1 votes

Game 6: Ahri vs Vel’Koz Notes:

  • Barrier highlights Ahri’s noticeably lower damage. A full combo at level 5 feels extremely bad, because while the first Fox-Fire does deals noticeably more damage, the other two do less than an auto attack.
  • However, I really have to emphasize that Ahri feels very strong when she has CDR. Her gank avoidance and mobility are absolutely fantastic.
  • Alacrity is likely the better option over Furor, but not necessarily better than Homeguard of course.
  • Question: Captain boots!?!?!?!?
  • Theory: The optimal build is Morello’s -> Deathcap -> Void, or Morello’s -> Hourglass -> Void/Deathcap. This is what I have been testing thus far and it feels very strong.

Game 7: Ahri vs Kalista Notes:

  • New Build: Rylai’s -> Deathcap+Void -> Lich Bane
  • While Rylai’s is effective for keeping an enemy in range, it is quite frankly just not as effective as CDR, as CDR allows for Ahri’s ultimate to be active more often, and for her to activate Q sooner.
  • CDR also has better synergy with Lich Bane, which I will be testing next opportunity.

Game 8: Jax; Ahri vs Vel’Koz Notes:

  • Ahri went even with Vel’Koz, but died very few times, racking up several assists before becoming a very powerful late game presence.
  • Post-Game Interview below.

Game 9: Ahri vs Nidalee Notes:

  • New Build: Morellonomicon -> Lich Bane -> Deathcap + Void Staff -> Rylai’s/Hourglass
  • Absolutely terrible. Lich Bane grants next to no damage on the second buy. The item only became remotely effective after the purchase of Deathcap. The item may be more effective as a third or fourth buy.
  • Lich Bane makes Ahri a very good split pusher however.
  • Was level 2 ganked by Lee Sin while pushed to enemy turret, escaped easily due to large Q speed boost.
  • Had significant trouble killing Garen and Thresh when they health stacked and built MR. Void Staff is likely a requirement item, much like with Syndra (as opposed to before, where it is not all too useful).

Game 10: Ahri vs Shen; Leblanc vs Ahri Notes:

  • In the late game, damage is sustained but not exceptional. Especially frustrating versus health stacking targets, as per usual. Safety is very high.
  • The superior final build is Morellonomicon, Sorcerer’s Shoes, Deathcap, Void Staff, Rylai’s, and Hourglass. With the Elixir of Sorcery, this reaches ~850 AP. There are few mana issues, and blue buff is a must.
  • Leblanc lost to enemy Ahri. Enemy Ahri proceeded to do very well against squishy team.
  • Ulting in with Rylai’s and Foxfire for AoE slow is extremely effective in teamfights once more.

Post-Game Interview:

? Tsukino: So Ahri ? Tsukino: What are you thoughts ? Tsukino: on the changes? ? AHRI: mix feelings ? Tsukino: How about specifically, ? AHRI: miss the single target damage but i think that was cause i was missing my skillshots a lot ? AHRI: but she is ? AHRI: more safe ? AHRI: when ult is down due to q ? AHRI: makes it easier to kite in fights ? AHRI: and helps ? AHRI: doging spells ? Tsukino: How would you gauge the overall strenth of Ahri at the moment? ? AHRI: if i was vs another assassin she would be weak ? Tsukino: What are your thoughts on the match up against Vel'koz? ? AHRI: a little hard he was able to shove me into my turret very easy ? AHRI: and had to dodge all those spells while farming ? Tsukino: Do you think it was because he was long range? ? AHRI: if i didnt miss that charm it wouldnt been that hard ? AHRI: but my aim wasnt good that game ? Tsukino: What are your feelings about Ahri's mana pool? ? AHRI: before it was justified but now that her charm has no damage amp they should make it cost less like it did back in season 3 ? AHRI: cost less ealry game ? AHRI: can make it cost more later ? Tsukino: Do you think your full build is the most effective build on Ahri? ? AHRI: no im just experimenting right now ? AHRI: and that new NLR item they are making ? AHRI: hasnt arrived yet ? AHRI: so cant say ? Tsukino: In your opinion, what do you percieve to be the best item on Ahri, at the moment? ? Tsukino: *first buy item ? Tsukino: What about second buy? ? AHRI: abyssal scepter ? AHRI: im starting to like buying that first more ? AHRI: i used to buy it second on the live ahri but since no more dfg i will rush it ? Tsukino: During the late game, how did you feel about playing Ahri? ? AHRI: she felt fine i think i could have done much bettert tho ? Tsukino: Do you think she is more effective than, say, Syndra? In what ways yes, and what ways no? ? AHRI: hmm hard to say ? AHRI: syndra has a better cc ? AHRI: for team fights ? AHRI: ahri has more aoe ? AHRI: damage ? AHRI: and tricky to catch ? Tsukino: Overall, do you think either one is stronger? ? AHRI: i havent played syndra since last patch but i think syndra is still stronger just cause of her cc and how fast she can kill any carry ? AHRI: she doesnt even need ult to do iut ? Tsukino: Last two questions. ? AHRI: k ? Tsukino: Have you tried CDR on Ahri, and if so, do you have any opinions on it? ? AHRI: the only cdr i would get on ahri was the dfg since it also gave me a lot of ap to (not counting the active of that item) when i tried morellocon rush i didnt feel all that impactful for the ealry-mid ? AHRI: i guess its cause of the less ap you get on morello than the NLR item ? Tsukino: I meant, CDR on the updated Ahri. ? AHRI: i rather have damage so i can kill someone fast ? AHRI: oh ? AHRI: my bad ? AHRI: no i havent on the updated ahri yet ? Tsukino: Okay. ? Tsukino: Final Question ? Tsukino: Did you at any point feel your damage was lacking? ? AHRI: ealry game yes (like level 1-8 maybe) ? AHRI: cause of that missing charm amp ? AHRI: when someone wants to all in me like kat and fizz ? AHRI: i cant do enough damage to trade them back ? Tsukino: What about from mid to late game? ? AHRI: a little mid game but late game i feel fine ? AHRI: once i get my items ? Tsukino: Okay, thank you very much, that about covers everything. ? AHRI: hard to snowball in lane ? AHRI: nice talking to you

By the way, I am Tsukino on the PBE.

Strident1/19/2015, 5:47:47 AM1 votes

Game 11: Ahri vs Teemo Notes:

  • New Build: Morellonomicon -> Tear -> Deathcap -> Archangel’s Staff -> Void Staff + Hourglass
  • Tear bought around 10 minutes, 25:10 fully charged without upgrading.
  • Clearing minions due to tear delaying more AP leaves caster minions at 1-2 HP, without scaling AP per. level glyphs.
  • Teemo seems to have an unfavorable match up against Ahri now, as Ahri can very quickly run away from any poison harass with Q.

Game 12: Jax; Ahri vs Zed Notes:

  • Build Path for Friendly Ahri: Zhonyas -> Deathcap -> Morellonomicon -> Void Staff -> Rylai’s
  • Ahri was killed by Zed once early on, but recovered easily. Did well without friendly assistance while enemy jungler was doing well.
  • Post-Game Interview Below

Post-Game Interview [9:28] Tsukino: kk So what are your overall thoughts on the changes? [9:29] Ahri: i think its really good tbh with like the removal of dfg i think she is the top midlaners again [9:30] Tsukino: How would you gauge the overall strenth of Ahri at the moment? [9:30] Ahri: top tier mid laner at the moment [9:30] Tsukino: What are your thoughts on the match up against Zed? [9:30] Ahri: it would be the same as before a skill matchup but with the new q it makes the lane a lot more easy [9:30] Tsukino: What are your feelings about Ahri's mana pool? [9:31] Ahri: its pretty balanced if u can land the stuff i feel it fine i didnt find myself oom during lane or during mid / late game [9:31] Tsukino: Do you think your full build is the most effective build on Ahri? [9:32] Ahri: yeah with the rylais it makes the kiting really easy along with the new q change [9:32] Tsukino: In your opinion, what do you percieve to be the best first buy item on Ahri, at the moment? [9:32] Ahri: morello [9:32] Tsukino: What about second buy? [9:32] Ahri: or a zhongyas if ur against an ad laner i would get rabadon or a zhongya judging on how fed or if im struggling [9:33] Tsukino: During the late game, how did you feel about playing Ahri? [9:33] Ahri: she was very easy to get a pick and to escape and continue to fight [9:33] Tsukino: Do you think she is more effective than, say, Syndra? In what ways yes, and what ways no? [9:33] Ahri: she feels super mobile now um id say its hard to compare as i think syndra is mainly about getting picks but she isnt very mobile [9:34] Tsukino: What about Leblanc? [9:34] Ahri: i would pick ahri>syndra just due to that fact i dont think leblanc is much of a prob in this meta anymore cuz of the deletion of dfg cuz she was basically just to get a pick and to escape with her mobility but i dont see that point when you have ahri now :p [9:35] Tsukino: Last two questions. Did you at any point feel your damage was lacking? [9:35] Ahri: def not her dmg felt the same as old ahri i dont think it was lacking at all even with dfg nerf her kit practically comes with one making her able to burst champs easily [9:36] Tsukino: Her E no longer amplifies damage to charmed targets. [9:36] Ahri: o srs well def dont feel like dmg is lacking then cuz i didnt even notice it xD so i think her dmg is onpoint lol [9:37] Tsukino: Finally, how often would you say you play Ahri? As of now. [9:37] Ahri: i play her a lot when i smurf as of now not so much on live this is my first time trying her out on pbe and i like the changes [9:37] Tsukino: Alright, thank you very much, that about covers it.

Once again, I am Tsukino on PBE