https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW_st2H2Y2Y TLDR this was in diamond 1/master how is this even allowed in 2015? burst from stealth without counterplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g04Xd1kDC3s
here is an other one to just show that armor ->useless
KONO RUBICK DA1 voteswell, good one. if rengar didn't use the leap but closed the gap and did all his burst without jumping vayne would have lost 70% of her hp
GundayMonday11 votesBuilds glass cannon, complains about insta-dying when caught out of position. Sounds about right.
OhthePiplup4 votesFor the first one i can understand, but the second time?
Inside his team and base as a glass cannon. So out of position.
Silents42910 votesI found that the giant exclamation point above my head is a good way to beat him.
Theorchero7 votes
That and stick together. Hard to do in solo queue, I know.
brad4 votesdont fucking feed him to the point where he can do that
and if you do, pray he doesnt crit you and you might live
N3mO063 votesDid you know that Rengar can do only this? Did You know that every janna or support that has a cc make it useless?Did you know that he has to build more AD then a carry also selling boots because if he does not kill the enamy before landing, he is died ...... Instead of complaining for a champ useful for 3/4 of the game once every 150 sec and who must also have 5 stacks to do something with his ultimate, complain your jungler for not ganking top ( he has not escape) or you complained to the team for not bringing pressure in his jungle, being rengar items dipendent and unable to do anything, ANYTHING during a counter attack, he is not zed, not leblnc, not Fizz. Awake
Ultîma2 votesConsidering the warning for Rengar's ultimate is rather short, I can't really imagine a support being able to consistently peel him off their ADC unless they're unbelievably lucky. Most Rengar's in Platinum and up can 100-0 a target within a second of the warning appearing. No one has that kind of reaction time, especially if ping is involved in any way.
Also saying that Rengar is -only- useful with his ultimate, or that 5 stacks is difficult for him to acquire is just wrong.
Drunk Rummate2 voteswhen im a mid or adc versus a fed rengar i generally just find the biggest cluster of my teammates and plop myself fat in the center of them until his ult is down.
KONO RUBICK DA1 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g04Xd1kDC3s
like this?
Drunk Rummate1 votesHe wasn't in the center of his team, he was at the edge. Rengar wouldn't have escaped if he was positioned differently, probably still get the kill though.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votesok, i get it. In this game he would still have killed orianna who was important
Drunk Rummate1 votesok, i get it. In this game he would still have killed orianna who was important
For sure yeah. But still, going 1 for 1 with that Rengar would probably have been a decent trade considering how much gold he had to be worth to kill Ori that fast.
Very Hard Engage1 votesok, i get it. In this game he would still have killed orianna who was important
also orianna could've used her zhonyas, also note that rengar used his flash first to get over the wall, in addition rengar mashes his buttons all at once so everything "explodes" at once when he lands on his target.
put it this way, would you rather have had a flash rengar ult, or a flash tibbers?
KONO RUBICK DA1 votesuse zhonya when someone killed yuo in 0.04 sec? good for you if you can do it. i'm sure 80% of the player can't do this
Very Hard Engage1 votesuse zhonya when someone killed yuo in 0.04 sec? good for you if you can do it. i'm sure 80% of the player can't do this
no you use it when you see the exclamation point above your head so he cant dive you for 3 seconds, and then your team comes and backs you up, they were poorly formed in that video, if they had been tighter together it might have deterred the rengar. again, he FLASHED to make the play, otherwise they had ample distance behind the wall to prevent the jump alone.
LankPants5 votesHe notices the exclamation mark at 2 seconds into the video. At that point he should be preparing himself for the Rengar to jump. By the time Rengar actually jumps at 4 seconds he's had time to ready himself and should be able to hourglass as soon as he sees the Rengar appear, especially since he has somewhere around 20-30 ping.
Not saying if Rengar is or isn't a problem but there is a way to play that situation in which you don't die.
Your first video even proves it's possible to react before you die since the Talon was able to ult even if it didn't do very much.
Wind Whistler1 votesuse zhonya when someone killed yuo in 0.04 sec? good for you if you can do it. i'm sure 80% of the player can't do this
Pretty sure his leap takes longer than 0.04 seconds.
Schenix2 votesPink Wards are helpful. Not being caught out w/o vision is helpful. Positioning as a team is helpful. Building Health (with at least 1 armor item) is helpful. GA is helpful. Zhonyas is helpful (?)
I don't see where this is a difference from Shaco doing it. It holds the same weaknesses, only Rengar can duel far better and has his bushes to escape or get another kill if he attacked near one. But the same counterplay mechanics exist.
KONO RUBICK DA3 votesi see a difference, shaco wouldn't have dived into a turet like rengar did in the 2nd video
Schenix7 votesShaco dives turrets if he knows he can kill. i.e. Viktor can generally be burst down instantly under turret by Shaco
But my main point was: that style of playing has almost the same counterplay.
To be honest, Rengar has a hard time against basic league mechanics. Wards, grouping, positions, GA late game, etc.
He has to be very careful to dive in and kill, and almost like Zed now, he can suicide himself to kill the carry at late game and either run away to base because of CC and hp, or die trying to kill/after the kill. If Rengar manages to kill someone and get away scot free, there was something wrong that your team or you was/were doing.
Rengar is rewarding to players who know positioning very well and punishes those who don't. You learn this, and you effectively increase your chances of surviving against Rengar, tenfold.
Very Hard Engage1 voteshealth/armor, take his burst and you turn around and deck him.
or his biggest threat, "join the friendship circle guys" - oddone. (rengar wont dive multiple targets)
XLC1 votespeople GROUPING? in YOLOQUEUE? Also, a fed enough rengar will.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votesi'm not talking about tanks, i'm not an idiot i know that armor/health counter him, besides counterbuilding =/= counterplay remember veigar?
but will you build health/armor on 
? master yi has to rush devourer+brk +lw he can't get health+armor instantly by the time rengar just finished his core items and will oneshot him without any counterplay
Very Hard Engage1 votesi'm not talking about tanks, i'm not an idiot i know that armor/health counter him, besides counterbuilding =/= counterplay remember veigar?
but will you build health/armor on
guardian angel means all his burst is for nothing, and if you're alone to the point where your team cant get to you or back you up this late in the game you're way out of position and deserve to get ganked by rengar.
if you want to talk about the 5v5 setting wards to the side give away his positioning and everyone knows when he ults thanks to exclamation points above everyones heads meaning you should back away immediately. afterwards hes a non factor without that ult.
rengar has counterplay and counter builds, you just need to know when to build it or just general positioning will get the job done.
Celeste Benal1 votes counter to 
is his Q. Rengar ults, Yi presses QRE and proceeds to shred Rengar into thinly sliced pieces. Just add teriyaki sauce.
KONO RUBICK DA1 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g04Xd1kDC3s
also, i find this. Do you still think that armor will do something?
XLC1 votes(Wait, is the vid actually trusting the Death Recap system?) Rengar was probably insanely fed, for one? (To be honest i'm more curious as to how he instantly made everything hit at once, it sounds like scripting to me)
Ztoka1 votes(Wait, is the vid actually trusting the Death Recap system?) Rengar was probably insanely fed, for one? (To be honest i'm more curious as to how he instantly made everything hit at once, it sounds like scripting to me)
I think it is like animation cancelling. Heard NB talking about it the other day on his stream. Something like empowered Q, then leap, hit w I think it was while mid air, hit something else as you land.. 100-0 w/ Rengar np.. I don't play the champion, just vaguely remember it being talked about this week on a stream.
KorZod2 votesyou can throw the bola in mid air, and if you activate hydra in mid-air it activates when you land. So he got the Empowered bola, hydra, and an empowered (possibly crit) auto to all land at the same exact time because leap speed is quicker than bola. Somewhat hard to do, but not all that hard. Its just that he already has a youmuus, warrior, and last whisper so their armor is basically useless.
BIG Honey Flavor1 votes
is the counterplay to rengar. just ult whoever he jumps on then w him when he hits the ground and BAM!! you have yourself a dead kitty cat
I Miss Cannon4 votesyeah, good idea, do this when he kills you in 0.5 seconds and you can't even react
Snake Town2 votes
Durzaka1 votesYou realize he has a leap animation right?
The 0.5 seconds is from first damage, not from when he appears.
The reaction time is small, but it is absolutely there and more than enough to ult someone or to Zhonya's yourself. Especially since you had the ! warning 2 seconds before.
woobee1 votes"We realized in the case of each of these items that 'supporting' them or allowing them to continue to exist would simply cause more harm for game health than actual benefits. Either being abusable in edge cases (hello Sword of the Divine Rengar), or being 'trap' items that are rarely (if ever) the correct strategic purchase. Some may return at a later date!" ~Riot, Patch 4.20
Thanks, guys.
N3mO061 votesmeanwhile Poppy dive 1 vs 5 under tower....XDDDDDD
NinjaToad991 votesI remember when people complained that the "!" above your head when he stealthed was a crippling nerf that he could never recover from.
Saianna1 votesThat is kind of impossible...
500+ dmg from Bola?
Wtf did Talon had -200 armor?
Zerodusk1 votesNo rengar can do that if you have equal farm and exp i wish we could just sit down league players and explain to them what happens when champs get fed.
manbearswine1 votesEasy,pink ward the entire map(and don't give me this nonsense about "you can only have 5",just keep rotating them around your position until you run out of money),also don't forget to buy oracles,sure his jump range is longer than their detection range,but if everyone buys them you will be a lot easier for him and his team to kill. Oh and I almost forgot:stack armor,no matter what you are playing stack armor,you are adc and your team needs a damage dealer to deal with their front line? rush a thornmail.
TonsOfCounterplay
9baksQuJhb1 votes and
Simple enough for you?
Also you could also just curb stomp him pre 6
Miraweave1 votesHe doesn't have any.
Bârd1 votesSimple.
He cant kill you if you are already dead.
FarRockBF1 votesI always have problem with rengar in top lane. Those damn bushes.
Lynxonyx1 votes
Keep on laughing to the bank...
xl Kirito lx1 votesBest counterplay? Stand next to someone more appealing then you are.
You're the mid lane carry? Stand next to the fed ADC.
You're the frontline tank? Stand next to the fed ADC.
You're the assassin jungle? Stand next to the fed ADC.
