Lower Armor on Zhonyas

q O y O p·Feb 7, 2016·1 votes·760 views

It already gives AP champions an ability other champions are unlikely (I say unlikely because you technically can build it on anyone) to build, stasis. It doesn't need to give as many resistances, especially stacking resistances as it does.

Okay, the argument that there are AD+MR items may be made, however, AP is a BURST damage. It can 100-0 you while (most) AD champions need to sustain the damage they deal to kill you.

Move the Armor Zhonyas has over to another AP item, the stasis and resistance creates an unfair advantage, especially to AP tanks.

Thanks.

15 Comments

leglumpFeb 7, 20163 votes

It actually needs more armor. And its not that OP as you think it is, its practically useless to build it for the armor beginning game. And the active is pretty balanced.

AndrionarFeb 7, 20162 votes

For example

It's very hard to win against good zed without rushing Arm Guard, wich offers a decent amount of armour and ap.

In my opinion, you probably played an assasin, some mage bought Zhonyas, so you did no demage, becouse you builded wrong items or you were underfarmed and couldn't buy them at all....

Edited: yep, I was right. No offense buddy, but you're bronze. Theres no much point to discuss about it with you. But you can still ask me some questions if you want so. ^^

q O y O pFeb 7, 20161 votes

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For example

It's very hard to win against good zed without rushing Arm Guard, wich offers a decent amount of armour and ap.

In my opinion, you probably played an assasin, some mage bought Zhonyas, so you did no demage, becouse you builded wrong items or you were underfarmed and couldn't buy them at all....

Edited: yep, I was right. No offense buddy, but you're bronze. Theres no much point to discuss about it with you. But you can still ask me some questions if you want so. ^^

If you check my match history, I've not played any AD champion vs a mage lately, in lane. My rank has no effect on my ability to read the game. If you want to make it personal, I am willing to bet I could coach a team fo profesionals to victory over a team of professionals you attempt to coach. That's the ultimate goal, a win and I would achieve that over you if I had I the chance.

AndrionarFeb 7, 20161 votes

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If you check my match history, I've not played any AD champion vs a mage lately, in lane. My rank has no effect on my ability to read the game. If you want to make it personal, I am willing to bet I could coach a team fo professionals to victory over a team of professionals you attempt to coach. That's the ultimate goal, a win and I would achieve that over you if I had I the chance.

Your arguments are not relevant enought and I cant take them as serious. Mages can get armour from zhonyas, assasins can get mr from maw.

No armour from zhonyas, would mean no counterplay for zed or talon early game.

Also, division speaks about people. An exception would be if you're playing only normals and you're being matched with players, who have higher division boarders most of the time.

q O y O pFeb 7, 20161 votes

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Your arguments are irelevant. Mages can get armour from zhonyas, assasins can get resists from maw.

No armour from zhonyas, would mean no counterplay for zed or talon early game.

Also, division speaks about people. An exception would be if you're playing only normals and you're being matched with players higher then you are.

Seeker's, Zeeke's and Zhonyas give Armor and AP.

Hexdrinker, Maw and Mercurial give Magic Resist and AD.

Seekers builts into Zhonyas.

Hexdrinker builds into Maw.

Mercurial is additional to this.

Mercurial has 35 MR.

Maw has 50 MR.

Zeekes has 30 Armor.

Zhonyas has 45 Armor.

That is a 10 resistance difference in itemization from MR to AR when MR is more effective than AR is in survivability seeing as AP will burst you down and AD will widdle you down.

Please stop trying to argue something based on your ranking.

Llamas Spit TooFeb 7, 20161 votes

With Zhonya's, it offer's a fighting chance for mages against high AD-based champions like Zed Illaoi Fiora Talon Darius . I understand your concern with the matter, but you also need to realize there are certain champions (specifically mages in the midlane) that purchase Zhonya's as their core item during a match specifically because of it's active and armor it grants.

q O y O pFeb 7, 20161 votes

I did not suggest to remove the armor, but if you notice, the AD/MR items... there are multiple.. Perhaps spreading the armor that Zhonyas currently has (maybe more) to other AP items would help.

Lord AzırFeb 7, 20162 votes

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I did not suggest to remove the armor, but if you notice, the AD/MR items... there are multiple.. Perhaps spreading the armor that Zhonyas currently has (maybe more) to other AP items would help.

I'm interested to know where you got the name "Killowna" from.

AndrionarFeb 7, 20161 votes

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I'm interested to know where you got the name "Killowna" from.

Thats rude edited and it's not your fuck*** bussines

Lord AzırFeb 7, 20162 votes

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Thats rude.

Not really, just curious

AndrionarFeb 7, 20161 votes

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Not really, just curious

Sory, I thought you want make some kinda joke of it.... lol

q O y O pFeb 7, 20161 votes

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I'm interested to know where you got the name "Killowna" from.

Kelowna, BC.

Lord AzırFeb 7, 20161 votes

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Kelowna, BC.

Thought so, that's my home town so had to ask

q O y O pFeb 7, 20161 votes

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Thought so, that's my home town so had to ask

Cool! I don't want to turn the thread into something it's not, but add me and we can chat, I'd love to add locals or ex-locals :)

AndrionarFeb 7, 20161 votes

You can't compare mr and armour amounts, becouse they're being calculated and work differnetly. A mage like syndra could have 500-700 ap on average and assasin like rengar about 300 ad.

Zeekes doesn't work well with mid laners, I wouldn't buy it on anyone, but support.

Edited: you ranking shows your knowledge about game in most cases. I was mad then I was told this while belonging to silver, but now I'm able to understund this.