"vayne gives up to many strengths" Meddler

KONO RUBICK DA·Sep 12, 2015·7 votes·621 views

like what? bad early game? Riot are just a bunch of vayne main like phreak and tell us to 2v1 here ot to build attack speed reduction. Are you people stupid to not see that ADC in general are countered by attack speed debuff AND BY ARMOR? vayne just gets countered by AS debuff this is stupid.

"she has a low range"meddler. rofl she has 550 range which is the average but should we agree that she gives up on** ONE STRENGTH??** and why do you want a bigger range as a hyper carry? you just don't need it when you have stealth knock back and fucking mobility to peel ,,,you just don't need a high range to engage when you have 90 bonus ms in order to chase. this is disgusting that vayne won't be nerfed while she stands at 51% win rate as a high skilled champ.

24 Comments

Nimble MantaSep 12, 20158 votes

Vayne does have a bad early game, but unless you know how to constantly harass without losing cs you can't abuse it. She is pretty strong right now (I personally hate her ult .-.), but she isn't the toxic, no counterplay champion everyone makes her out to be.

KONO RUBICK DASep 12, 20151 votes

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Vayne does have a bad early game, but unless you know how to constantly harass without losing cs you can't abuse it. She is pretty strong right now (I personally hate her ult .-.), but she isn't the toxic, no counterplay champion everyone makes her out to be.

draven has 49% win rate against vayne lucian is worse same for mf and the only adc who can stand against vayne is the freaking jinx

LaceUp23Sep 12, 20153 votes

"Oh look, it's Vayne. I better pick Draven cuz he counter her even though I have never played him!!!"

Also, Vayne's average games played is pretty high for the relatively normal winrate she has. But hey, keep crying about lane bullies to get nerfed and this is what happens.

LordGeovanniSep 13, 20151 votes

build attack speed reduction doesnt stop the crits can only be slowed a certain amount and the armor barely matters because true damage not to mention she is the adc so along with her ad steroid ms and invisible ult she is being protected by her team. you expect damage like that should be on melee characters riot loves their adcs so they have range (just being ranged alone is an advantage over melee characters and it provedes saftey from all characters) high damage with out with out spells and they have any combination of speed steroid, dash and/or cc having 2 or more of them on them the exceptions being sivir who only has speed draven who only and corky who only has a dash adcs also naturaly build lifesteal

Nimble MantaSep 13, 20152 votes

The majority of Vayne's damage is physical, I actually calculated it once. It was about 79-89% of it is physical damage against a 4000hp target with no armor - this is not including her spells (tumble, ult, condemn) or the BotRK passive, all of which also do physical damage. As you build armor as a tank, you're reducing the majority of her damage. Yes, the true damage becomes proportionally higher the tankier you get, but her overall damage will be significantly reduced.

And sorry to burst your bubble but Fiora, Yi, Darius, and co. all do more damage than Vayne.

LordGeovanniSep 14, 20151 votes

and the physical damage while being lessened by armor also has crit to spike the power an penetration is often built that will ignore the armor. in addition to defensive items being horribly less efficient than damage items and with a minimal amount of champions that scale with defensive items. on top of all of that vayne has garenteed true damage. im not saying that just that part is unbalanced all of it is unbalanced but there are many more champions that are unbalanced and people use that as excuse they want abunch of unbalanced champions rather than balance the champions in the game so you have to think about what champions you pick and how they interact with your team and the enemy team rather than you just pick 4 op champions on your team every game

Nimble MantaSep 15, 20151 votes

You seem to have a great dislike for champions that deal lots of damage. Let's agree to disagree since I doubt I'll change your opinion on that matter.

LordGeovanniSep 15, 20151 votes

i do but not because they do tons of damage but because how they get to have tons of base damage and tons of scaleing damage lower cool downs on their spells than those with less base and less scaleing they also get cc just as good or better than champions with less damage and their mobility is unparralelled in the game. namely the 2 groups of assassins and marksmen. in addition to the fact that scaleing with armor and mr is even more rare than true damage ( and true damage most commonly appears on carries they already building damage why do they need garenteed damage that would be more balanced on champions that cant build their own damage) mr items and armor items suck compared to damage items. as damage items stand unless your team is 100% ad or ap you cant effectively build defense even if the enemy has no penetration because its not nessicary when they get penetration its just to spit and dance on your grave. damage and life steal items over lap so when they get damage they get life steal the same time then they can get crit which also over laps with damage and augments it and penetration which then also aguments the damage finish it off

qetzelSep 12, 20156 votes

That comment was a long time ago. It does not reflect the current state of the game. Lane bully ADCs have been nerfed, and (I believe) the meta is slightly more late game focussed than before.
Vayne does have a short range. 550. Other champions can do something at longer range. Sivir has a skillshot with a decent range and bouncing auto attacks, Lucian has Q,W and his ultimate. Vayne is limited to 550 whatever.

She is strong, no doubt, but the comment was accurate and the range is a significant weakness (perhaps not enough at this current time).

NarasimhaSep 12, 20154 votes

she has a low range"meddler. rofl she has 550 range which is the average

Honestly, anyone who uses this arguement shouldn't be allowed to make comments on balance.

Vayne's range is 550. Her max range is also 550. She has NO way of doing damage outside of the range, unlike every other adc. Yes, literally every other ADC.

KONO RUBICK DASep 12, 20151 votes

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Honestly, anyone who uses this arguement shouldn't be allowed to make comments on balance.

Vayne's range is 550. Her max range is also 550. She has NO way of doing damage outside of the range, unlike every other adc. Yes, literally every other ADC.

we don't care about max range, that's what people don't fucking understand.

She has the best chasing potential since she gains 90 bonus ms while chasing why does she needs range? for hitting from safety? 75% of adc will hit from her distance since they needs to use crit and basic attacks, and vayne is already safe with all her kit.

LordGeovanniSep 13, 20151 votes

technically that isnt true if she max range's e and hits you into a wall she does damage to you out side of that 550 range not to mention that attacks follow their target until they hit not matter how far unless kalista

EndlessSorcererSep 13, 20151 votes

Condemn's cast range is 550. If you are outside of her autoattack range, then she can't actually cast Condemn on you.

It doesn't matter that you take damage at the end of the knockback if you hit a wall; the ability can't be used on you if you aren't within her autoattack range.

Faded LichSep 13, 20152 votes

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Condemn's cast range is 550. If you are outside of her autoattack range, then she can't actually cast Condemn on you.

It doesn't matter that you take damage at the end of the knockback if you hit a wall; the ability can't be used on you if you aren't within her autoattack range.

So just kite her? LOL

KONO RUBICK DASep 15, 20151 votes

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So just kite her? LOL

see those tards? they forget the kit of a champion and say "lel she has 550 range don't be in her range"

LordGeovanniSep 14, 20151 votes

in the end what you said and how you said it was still not completely true i just fixed it

EndlessSorcererSep 14, 20151 votes

You really didn't. Vayne can't affect targets (deal damage to targets) if they are outside of 550 range. Condemn can't be cast on a target further away than they, so she can't damage them if they are outside her autoattack range.

Even if damage may occur at the end of the knockback if you pin them to a wall, she still hasn't affected you from outside your autoattack range, since the ability had to have been cast while you were within her autoattack range.

It's not a hard concept.

Meep ManSep 13, 20152 votes

The problem isn't Vayne's range or anything. It's that her self-peel is a little too strong for most people's liking for what she brings to the table PLUS most popular Supports (viable?) these days are also really good at peeling. If she could get a nerf to her self-peeling and a buff to some other place in her kit (base stats? make her ultimate more ultimate?)

KONO RUBICK DASep 13, 20151 votes

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The problem isn't Vayne's range or anything. It's that her self-peel is a little too strong for most people's liking for what she brings to the table PLUS most popular Supports (viable?) these days are also really good at peeling. If she could get a nerf to her self-peeling and a buff to some other place in her kit (base stats? make her ultimate more ultimate?)

if she didn't have this peel her range would be a drow back

FiveofswordsSep 13, 20151 votes

frankly i see so much qq over vayne in forums but in actual games i do not see anything special about her. if a player is good then whatever adc they are using will 'seem' overpowered. vayne is ultra popular these days, i guess cause people believe this stuff they hear on forums...and in all the games i see with a vayne adc, i never see any special domination going on. I just dont get what ppl qq about. I can tell if the person playing vayne is good, and they will often get fed simply by taking advantage of their opponents errors, but i see that just as much with other adc

EndlessSorcererSep 13, 20151 votes

she has a low range"meddler. rofl she has 550 range which is the average and why do you want a bigger range as a hyper carry?

Vayne has "short range" because she has no abilities which allow her to affect enemies outside of her autoattack range.

Ashe WR Corki QR Caitlyn QR Draven ER Ezreal QWR Graves QR Jinx WR Kalista Q KogMaw QER Lucian QWR (Q targeting a minion) MissFortune QR (Bounce Q off a minion) Quinn Q Sivir QW Urgot QE Varus QER

Tristana and Twitch are the only other ADCs who can't affect enemies outside of their autoattack range and both have abilities which can extend their autoattack range significantly.

CrettSep 13, 20151 votes

Twitch actually can throw W past his autoattack radius, and then press E for some minor damage

EndlessSorcererSep 13, 20151 votes

It's minor enough that I don't really bother counting it. But yeah, Twitch can do that.

KONO RUBICK DASep 15, 20151 votes

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Vayne has "short range" because she has no abilities which allow her to affect enemies outside of her autoattack range.

WR QR QR ER QWR QR WR Q QER QWR (Q targeting a minion) QR (Bounce Q off a minion) Q QW QE QER

and are the only other ADCs who can't affect enemies outside of their autoattack range and both have abilities which can extend their autoattack range significantly.