@ Meddler: Could we discuss Rumble's current state?

Oswald Mandus·Jan 23, 2016·6 votes·927 views

Dear honorable Mr. Meddler,

Rumble was a strong pick in Season 5, but since all of his core items got both nerfed and (!) became more expensive due to preseason changes, he feels kinda underpowered to me at the moment.

Unfortunately, the changes on Rumble last patch didn't change this state. He is still very weak compared to most other toplaners. The buffs were so slight that they didn't had a considerable impact on him. Despite the reduction of his collision radius he still gets stuck between minions frequently. Additionally, Rumble's horrible last hitting capabilities are still a glaring problem that holds him from getting his items quickly enough.

So I ask you frankly, Mr Meddler: What are your thoughts about Rumble? Are there any plans regarding this champion? I would love to get an insight of your wisdom. Thanks!

15 Comments

XrusaJan 23, 20165 votes

All of his core items nerfed??? Liandry's literally only got buffed hello? At least have accurate complaints

Os der HaseJan 23, 20165 votes

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All of his core items nerfed??? Liandry's literally only got buffed hello? At least have accurate complaints

You should do some research before you write such baseless comments ;)

Please take a look on Patch 5.22 notes:

Liandry's Torment TOTAL COST 3000 gold ⇒ 3200 gold BUILD PATH Haunting Guise + Blasting Wand + 750 gold

This is clearly not a buff.

XrusaJan 23, 20162 votes

Ability Power increased to 80 from 50 Ability Power increased to 80 from 50 Ability Power increased to 80 from 50 Ability Power increased to 80 from 50 Ability Power increased to 80 from 50 For a net increase in cost of 300g, are you people serious?

ErdamonJan 23, 20165 votes

Except this was patch 5.13, back when Zhonya's got its ap reduced from 120 to 100, giving you a total of 10 ap increase with these items combined, which isn't all that impressive.

XrusaJan 23, 20162 votes

I am not talking about other items holy moly folks that was some flawless topic changing right there.

ErdamonJan 23, 20162 votes

No, that's your shit excuse to ignore the fact that Liandry wasn't the only item that was changed, when you take all those item changes into consideration, you'll rather quickly realise that the difference in full at build post 5.13 isn't that big, really. It's like saying that Thunderlords is op on assassins only because it's Thunderlords and not because an entire cunning tree has some favourable options if you want to go aggressively. In a game like that you have to take all (even the smallest) changes into consideration when judging whole outcome.

ErdamonJan 23, 20164 votes

Well you could bring some accurate arguments as to why Liandry's supposedly got buffed too.

It's cost was increased by 200g with no compensation, Zhonya's cost was increased by a whooping 500g while losing 5 armor, another 200g on Rylai and Void Staff with no compensation whatsoever. Sure the ambient gold got increased, but not only for Rumble, other players got that too, and Rumble's horrible last hitting capabilities are still a glaring problem that holds him from getting his items quickly enough.

Oswald MandusJan 23, 20165 votes

Good argument :) I added it to my post!

ErdamonJan 23, 20163 votes

You're welcome! :)

Critmaster GarenJan 23, 20165 votes

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Dear honorable Mr. Meddler,

Rumble was op in Season 2 to 5,

fixed that for you buddy.

jokes aside, i dont think hes been close to weak since his release. until now, he has always been either mediocre or top pick. give some other champions a little bit of time in the spotlight.

V6.1:

General Collision radius reduced to 35 from 50. Flamespitter.png Flamespitter Range increased to 600 from 550. Interval improved to 0.25 from 0.5. Maximum potential damage unchanged.

he already got some buffs this patch. wait how they play out.

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Please take a look on Patch 5.22 notes:

This is clearly not a buff.

ambient gold was increased, minion and turret gold was increased. relative to before the price didnt change, but the item gained more ap.

worst case, it was neither a buff nor a nerf, but made the item more slot effective, which makes it better at 6 items.

Schulze117Jan 23, 20165 votes

sry bro, his winrate is still below average (http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=champion-loserate&range=daily&map=sr&queue=normal)...

he almost never was op and now he is not more than a situational pick. people pick him rarely because he is useless against most toplaners (darius, renekton, irelia...)

i don't think they should make him op but at least viable :)

Critmaster GarenJan 23, 20161 votes

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sry bro, his winrate is still below average (http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=champion-loserate&range=daily&map=sr&queue=normal)...

he almost never was op and now he is not more than a situational pick. people pick him rarely because he is useless against most toplaners (darius, renekton, irelia...)

i don't think they should make him op but at least viable :)

pretty sure he was top pick in pro play multiple times. he practically never stopped seing play for a very long time. this is really the first time he has a lower than average winrate.

ErdamonJan 23, 20163 votes

He was a top pick several times, sure, but that's not entirely Rumble's fault, it's that not only the metas favoured him at the time, but also teams that used him had a teamcomp that could make the most use of his ultimate. And besides the Rumble players were pretty darn good if not one of the best Rumbles in the world (Balls, MaRiN, just to name a few), so you'd kinda expect they'd knew their shit. But even then, periods when Rumble was popular didn't last nearly as long as Lee's or Thresh's, nor does he have a stupidly high and consistent pick rate in any elo/proffesional league that would make you puke

Critmaster GarenJan 23, 20161 votes

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He was a top pick several times, sure, but that's not entirely Rumble's fault, it's that not only the metas favoured him at the time, but also teams that used him had a teamcomp that could make the most use of his ultimate. And besides the Rumble players were pretty darn good if not one of the best Rumbles in the world (Balls, MaRiN, just to name a few), so you'd kinda expect they'd knew their shit. But even then, periods when Rumble was popular didn't last nearly as long as Lee's or Thresh's, nor does he have a stupidly high and consistent pick rate in any elo/proffesional league that would make you puke

rumble is a lane bully with a gamechanging ult. just no.

it wasnt just the meta favouring him at the time it was the champion being strong like hell. he was never really weak in solo que either.

ErdamonJan 23, 20162 votes

Rumble is a lane bully that can be easily forced out of the lane either by playing aggressively or forcing early ganks, with a game changing ultimate that on its own can be pretty easy to ignore and has a fair amount of counterplay on its own.

And isn't that kind of obvious that if a champion is favoured by meta then they are ought to be strong? It's not like Rumble's the worst offender or something (remember when top lane meta was purely around "Whoever doesn't die to Renekton like a bitch can be considered viable" for an entire year? That was some shit."). And as far as his soloq performance goes, his consistent pick rate of 1~3% coupled with a mediocre (terrible atm) win rate does speak for itself, basically only Rumble mains are a considerable threat, when people trying to abuse him for free elo will most likely still try to aim their equalizer for 25 seconds, then miss it but still try to for the kill and die.