and im in high gold/low plat elo
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did no1 bother to read the patch notes?
my understanding is it basically replaces abyssal and anyone who used to rush abyssal may consider this item in its place. its just a trade off of 10% magic damage for 10ap.
DrCyanide19 votesJust tell them to read the patch notes every time they complain about it. If they complain about it in all chat, just calmly reply "And thus we see X didn't read the patch notes".
Zerenza3 votesNot gonna lie i do know a lot of high ELO player's who get extremely surprised when something changed XD I don't know why but high ELO player's don't read patch notes or keep caught up on champion updates. I know a diamond player that i(bronze 3) beat in a 1v1 because he didn't know katarina got reworked, this was last fucking week XD
Zezockary13 votesHonestly, it isn't bad to rush on champs that didn't rush abyssal. Very good for when you are behind against a mage or ap assassin.
The Ecdysiast8 votesIt's literally just Edge of Night for AP assassins now.
And frankly, people should be forced to scroll down to the bottom of the patch notes before being allowed to play a match.
AlienPrimate2 votesThat wouldn't fix anything. Be honest. Did you really read the terms of agreement?
The Ecdysiast2 votesThe Terms doesn't make you do that.... And this is completely different, since it actually pertains to the game. Whereas the terms don't change and the only pertinent information in them is that you don't own the account and you aren't allowed to tamper with game files
Asayake 5150glow1 votesIt's literally just Edge of Night for AP assassins now.
And frankly, people should be forced to scroll down to the bottom of the patch notes before being allowed to play a match.
I say it's worse, you don't get to choose when to use it so poke takes it out.
Zerenza1 votesIt's good for AP assassins because if i go into a team fight from the side as katarina i'm going to be hit by A LOT of CC all at once and banshee's will protect from most of that until it finally ticks away(its not instantly gone when you get hit). So it helps AP assassins because if they want to flank, or team fight, they usually had to avoid everything, now it's a bit easier.
Assassins aren't as prone to poke as other champions are just based on their play style.
Catastrop4 votesPatch notes OP, please nerf.
SweedishGunner3 votesI still prefer Old Abyssal, the extra MR and the magic damage aura are better than the 10 AP and 40 second CD spell shield.
Very Hard Engage8 votesi prefer the first abyssal
70ap 50mr flat pen...
Vallalan2 voteseveryone preferred this. it was way too universally good. it eventually became the rush for all ap vs ap matchups. 20 flat mr reduction was insane.
1011001110001 votesWon't Banshee's be the universal rush for ap vs. ap match-ups now?
Very Hard Engage1 votesmaybe, probably not.
like its efficient and offers enough stats to kill someone 70ap/10% cdr, but ultimately there are stronger options for scaling harder into the mid game.
i chose the item because my enemy laner was being overly aggressive and i wanted some mr.
Vallalan1 votesno it wont. low ap and a defensive passive that only works once in awhile after not being hit for awhile.
its a true defensive ap item. abyssal was both offensive, defensive, and cheap.
there were no drawbacks to it.
Votable Jester2 votesI like the new Banshee's, but that's because I play champions that couldn't really use the aura as well.
Asayake 5150glow1 votesI still prefer Old Abyssal, the extra MR and the magic damage aura are better than the 10 AP and 40 second CD spell shield.
Yeah and being able to pick up a Negatron and build it into a GA or Abyssal was soooo good.
DuskDaUmbreon3 votesI think it's less to do with 
vs 
, and more to do with you starting either of those items. 
(or 
on most mana-less champs) is typically a better choice in any instance. You'd have a hard time recharging that shield in lane, anyways.
MillForMe1 votesIts an amazing item on lux. Though it might be my second item depending on the matchup. I'll usually rush it first since most matchups are counters.
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesI still feel like she uses the mana and greater AP and CDR better than the spell shield and MR. You aren't gonna have many times where you go 40 seconds without being hit in lane, so it's not really that useful as a 1st item for the passive (although Grievous may not be much better in most matchups). Banshee's only real advantage (besides the inconsistently useful MR, since not every meta midlaner uses AP) in lane is its cost, and it's only a 200 difference (165 combined). But, then again, I don't play Lux that much, so I can't really say for certain.
MillForMe1 votesWhat I'm sacrificing in AP and mana regen, I'm investing in survivability and defense. This isn't an item i build against Ziggs or Ori. Its something i build against champs or comps that must engage me to kill me. Lb dashes forward and can't burst nectar she must clear my shield. Ahri sacrifices some damage to clear it. As lux, my biggest issue has always been fighting someone who can close the gap and still farm well. This is an immediate answer to it that doesn't make me incredibly weak.
Even if I'm up against zed or talon, if they have enough cc on their team, my options are this or zhonyas, which I'm definitely weighing equally outside of extremely circumstances.
Having a spellshield, a shield, an aoe slow, and a double root, makes me as a backline burst mage much safer. The fact that it gives me cdr and ap on top of it makes it almost mandatory.
Tobias Brackner2 votesDon't justify flamers.
CØulrophobia1 votesNo matter how op banshee rush might be i will always build mana first.
Spoofghoul3 votesMute Mute Mute Mute
What's that? lalalala can't hear you ..i.,
TimX24968B6 votesmutes everyone and mutes pings gets ganked by roaming mid "report mid wtf"
chipndip12 votesBut who were you when you did it?
Very Hard Engage6 votesi was diana against lissandra
chipndip14 votesSo why rush Banshee when Abyssal gives MR, 70 AP so you can kill the Lissandra with, and a spell shield against the Lissandra's hard cc?
That's why you were flamed for first item building Banshee's.
Edit: I played myself so hard DJ Khaled would cry. Apologies, CrestKnight.
Lucian Waifu1 votesSo why rush Banshee when Abyssal gives MR, 70 AP so you can kill the Lissandra with, and a spell shield against the Lissandra's hard cc?
That's why you were flamed for first item building Banshee's.
Someone didn't read the patch notes. Abyssal has no more ap...
chipndip15 votesHere's the silliest part of this:
I thought he was talking about rushing the 10% magic damage amp item, even after reading the damn title, so even though I knew which one does which, for some reason I STILL talked as if he rushed Abyssal instead of Banshee, even though it's in the damn title. Then I Bugs Bunny style flipped the item names because OBVIOUSLY Abyssal has to be the right one since that one's NOT the amp item, RIIIIGHT?
I'm a fucking beast.
Tobias Brackner3 votes0 excuse to flame someone
chipndip12 votesLemme build Ruined King Soraka support in your game if I ever find you.
crippler382 votesGives her more kiting power and lets the bananas chunk.
Doctrorpheus2 votesDon't say anything to them.
You'll just get punished.
Report them all after and watch the dunk screens roll in,
Elikain2 votesPatch notes are hard. People are stupid.
Serika Zero1 votesIts better in later game stages than a first item. Even before changed, finishing abysal scepter as a first item was usually a mistake.
You never wanted to rush abysal on anyone, maybe except Katarina in a Kat vs LeBlank match-up, and even then, you would buy the MR and then move on your actual first item and finish abysal later.
So, sry bro, its not about patch notes. Your choice was a mistake from the beginning. Both Abysal scepter before rework and Banshee now are items for mid to late game.
Before you had an aura that did 10% more magic damage, would would be great in........ wait for it......... team fights. And team fights are not at your first item rush. Similar to this new item.
Just like buying lichbane or rabadons as first item is a mistake, its a mid to late game item. You want something else before. Likewise, infinity edge as first item rush without any other crit items is a mistake for AD heroes. Or Guardian Angel rush, another mistake for AD players.
Lucian Waifu1 votes[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MEOkRmuW,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2017-05-05T20:07:10.414+0000)
Its better in later game stages than a first item. Even before changed, finishing abysal scepter as a first item was usually a mistake.
You never wanted to rush abysal on anyone, maybe except Katarina in a Kat vs LeBlank match-up, and even then, you would buy the MR and then move on your actual first item and finish abysal later.
So, sry bro, its not about patch notes. Your choice was a mistake from the beginning. Both Abysal scepter before rework and Banshee now are items for mid to late game.
Before you had an aura that did 10% more magic damage, would would be great in........ wait for it......... team fights. And team fights are not at your first item rush. Similar to this new item.
Just like buying lichbane or rabadons as first item is a mistake, its a mid to late game item. You want something else before. Likewise, infinity edge as first item rush without any other crit items is a mistake for AD heroes. Or Guardian Angel rush, another mistake for AD players.
I disagree with the abyssal. Abyssal was basically a cheaper deathcap that not only gave you 60 ap, but also increased all your magic damage by 10%, giving you more power than it's stats would indicate. Just because of this abyssal became an early game item to rush for burst or for protection, that is why I am glad they changed it.
Serika Zero2 votesyou are wrong on this part It didn't increase YOUR magic damage by 10%. It was increasing your TEAMS (you included) damage by 10% to enemies in the Aura.
That's why, it was not an early game rush. You could just sit on 
if you needed that "anti burst". And it was just 720 gold vs 2000 something the entire abysal cost.
The Aura was great, but you getting that in the early game was not so great.
Again, its like buying Lich Bane, Rabadons, Infinity Edge, etc as first rush. You need "some starts" to back it up.
As much as I'm getting downvoted. +10% damage from an entire team (5 people) is much better than +10% damage from a single person.
But, i digress. People on these boars are dumb at math and logic. I'll take my leave now, don't see how to continue any further
Lucian Waifu1 votes[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MEOkRmuW,comment-id=000f00000000,timestamp=2017-05-06T05:42:30.649+0000)
you are wrong on this part It didn't increase YOUR magic damage by 10%. It was increasing your TEAMS (you included) damage by 10% to enemies in the Aura.
That's why, it was not an early game rush. You could just sit on
Again, its like buying Lich Bane, Rabadons, Infinity Edge, etc as first rush. You need "some starts" to back it up.
As much as I'm getting downvoted. +10% damage from an entire team (5 people) is much better than +10% damage from a single person.
But, i digress. People on these boars are dumb at math and logic. I'll take my leave now, don't see how to continue any further
No, people in diamond up were all rushing abyssal against anyone who was ap because it increased all magic damage by 10% it was a far cheaper buy than deathcap, gave mr against their opponent, and gave more damage than it's stats show. Additionally why you rush it is because when mid lane roams, you get more use out of the aura, plus you won't have deathcap ready by the time team fights start, but you definitely will have abyssal ready, which gives you and your team more damage by buying just one cheap item.
You are right though, people on the boards are stupid and you are proving it by trying to argue this point. Look up the old abyssal and all the games with it, it give your champion increased damage while the enemy was within it's aura, it is utterly stupid to think the item only gave that to your teammates but not you...
Serika Zero1 votesit is utterly stupid to think the item only gave that to your teammates but not you...
read my post again, I said that it increases your teammates damage as well as yours. if you can't understand and grasp that simple line, there's nothing to talk to you ^^
Only Axes1 votesAbyssal for Kat and Kennen and the like, Banshee's for Lux and Xerath etc. It's basically the abyssal-like option for champions who wouldn't use abyssal's aura to much effect.
macromite2 votesabyssal is a tank item now.
Bârd1 votesI mean, Kat can build some Tank, and Abyssal isn't the worst one for her (10% magic amp and all).
I've seen quite a few Kats go a bruiser build, rushing Sunfire>Rylais into a normal AP build.
I'd not be surprised to see Abyssal replace Sunfire for this build in AP heavy matchups.
Bouncemaster Zac1 votesIt's busted on AP assassins now. They get to ignore whichever cc you throw at them to stop their engage so they always get at least ONE kill before the rest of your cc stops them.
Ariel the Cruel1 votes
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Fızz1 votesExcept Fizz, he can't ult anymore and has no way to remove the sheild
General Esdeath 1 votesTo be honest I didn't even notice lol I think because this is some pre-season level of change and they're focused on reworks
CudyDarkyz1 votesAs someone who went veil second item a few times i say. Do you want me to die to LB combo, or live with low damage?
darksmartie1 votesHonestly i think just rushing it on any mid is the way to go. The item is busted since so many mid laners rely on hitting their full combo.
Ahri Body Pillow1 votesTeammate: Dude, why did you rush banshee's? Me: Haha! Looks like SOMEONE didn't read the patch notes! Try to stay up to date, kid. It's basically an abyssal now. Teammate: You're laning against Zed
