Zyra should get a Gameplay Update/Gameplay Mini rework

La Bello··14 votes·1,568 views

Im not sure if LoL's resident Botanist is currently on any sort of list for an update but I think she really needs one.

Currently the way Zyra and her plants interact with her enemies fail to really deliver on the whole "garden" theme. It often feels like Zyra just uses her seeds on top of her spells as some additional poke rather than a premeditated placement or trap that punishes players for trespassing into your territory.

on the Receiving end it never feels worth it to attack the plants as they die in about 3 seconds anyway unlike Hiemer Turrets where if you clear them you can take control of the lane for a good 2030 seconds until he gets enough charges to once again deploy another set. Zyra's plants dont give much gold but they have obnoxious range and hurt like hell so you feel compelled to try and work your way around them or try to ignore them .Usually coughing up 1015% of your HP bar interacting with them for the meager reward is not worth it (I believe old Yorick had a similar problem with his Ghouls being oppressive).

Playing AS Zyra her current passive feels awful. Like a hastily re-coded Illaoi passive with next to no real synergy or practicality . The seeds pop up in completely random places and are next to impossible to play around (yes I really wanted a seed under my tower and not in the middle of the lane! thanks RNG spawning!).

Zyra's Ultimate is mainly a raw damage AOE nuke with the THREAT of a crowd control against careless players.I think Strangle thorns should snare on the first hit of damage or something.

9 Comments

King of TroIIs3 votes

Do not for the love of bot lane buff Zyra. Rework the shit out of her but do not buff anything.

Thx. :)

Fairyfleur2 votes

They can make her much less oppressive bot by just changing her AP ratios and nerfing bases. Then they would be able to buff her without making support Zyra too strong.

Muzét2 votes

Add some variety: • Bush plants that acts like Carnivorous Plant → They're waiting for an enemy to pass by and then they eat it just like Tahm. But you can escape faster if an ally attack it. • River Plants which will be Water Lily healing/shielding allies within or pull in the center nearby foes (Just like Vic's W)

Make her Garden greater. Let's add variety

AccountaBilabudy1 votes

My proposed changes:

  1. Change passive completely. Idk, I'm sure they can think of something. Honestly, her old passive would have been fine if it wasnt so retardedly clunky and slow.

  2. Make it so her W can store up to 6 seeds. Storage of seeds can be something like "Passively generates 1 seed every 60 seconds. Zyra also gains 1 seed for every 10 minions she kills." These numbers probably need to be tweaked including how many she can actually store. But the idea makes it to transition Zyra back into mid lane, because a support Zyra would not be generating enough seeds to be that useful as a support.

Mig891 votes

Shes fine as is IMO Her seeds arent traps, theyre supposed to be a damage tool. The idea is you force the enemy players to be the gardeners. If you let the garden get out oif control, itll kill you. In botlane, If the support and adc both attack a plant it usually dies with only getting one auto off which is a bigger waste of mana for zyra than anything. Her passive is a great one because if she could spawn 6 seeds at once she would be the most broken mage in the game. It only takes like 4 seeds now and ult to solo a drag easily for example. Her ulti is more about the cc than dmg so I dont see your point on that either.

Sukishoo1 votes

I enjoyed her rework from the Mage update, though I still always wish they would have done something more to her Ult. It's just so weird and easy to get away from, I felt the wall of vines that Maokai uses should have been something more for a Zyra ult.

Raven Redeemed1 votes

Yeah, I wish they trade back her random zone damage to skilled zone damage directed by her abilities. I used to main old Zyra mid who just needed a new passive, bit more move speed, shorter E cast-time, and a bit stronger ratios/less base damage to be a modern mid

I think her ult is amazing and am glad they didn't change it. Most mages have a ult that is a damage nuke so that's not surprising. The delayed aoe cc is what makes it really unique because it is one the best (if not the best) de-initiation abilities in the game. Sure you can walk away from the cc when your team gets the drop on hers, but she effectively forced you to reposition giving her team time to run or counterattack. The THREAT of cc is powerful against non-careless players too.

SlashStriker1 votes

I think Zyra is way more manageable than Heimer. While Zyra has potential to deal huge damage, the Donger feels like lacks of counterplay. For instance I main Yi, who got bonus damage to minions and monsters so I expect to 1shot heimer's turrets, but in reality Alpha Strike fails to do that

Zyra's plants however doesn't feel like endless zoning and has better window to fight while Heimer feels like he is endlessly zoning you from doing anything and has no windows in which you can do something to counter him. On top of that Donger feels like he has endless supply of mana where Zyra is more likely to run out of her resource.

From that viewpoint Zyra is much better balanced than Heimer

o QIy QIy o1 votes
  1. When i first heard of Zyra I was excited, I thought she was the poison Ivy of League of Legends. But, Zyra tends to fall flat when trying to jump up to that role; she's literally at the bottom of the list. She, personally, isn't bad, but could use a rework, visually and lore wise; maybe change her abilities? I understand that her theme is 'Rise of the thorns', but doesn't feel unique at all. It seams to me, that Riot utterly forgot her or literally didn't care, so she was kind of replaced with Ivern. Another thing about her, is that Zyra has nothing to her win the lore; I mean, where the Hell does she come from!? Maybe, she could come from Ionia as an evil entity, seeking to destroy the natives? She just popped out from nowhere. I want her to play a bigger part in the universe of League of Legends. Personally, I just want her lore and visuals to change, maybe her abilities, so people won't skip her in champ select. It's just such a shame that hardly anyone plays her. Anyways, if you agree please do respond, even if you don't [sg-shisa]

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