Playing with Shyvana on your team

Mira Arya Enthe··17 votes·2,631 views

I see a lot of confusion from fellow players when I get on Shyvana. People asking why she isn't peeling, why she is building damage, why she isn't grouped despite being the team's 'tank'. This is an explanation for these things, in case you need the info in a hurry there is also a TL:DR at the bottom. If you want to know more about Shyvana in general ask somebody who isn't in silver, or ask me separately below/in client.


What role is Shyvana? NOT A TANK. That is the most important thing to remember. She has no CC other than a very buggy push on her ult that is hardly reliable and rarely intentionally used. Without CC she cannot properly initiate a teamfight and certainly cannot peel for you. She is a Juggernaut according to Meddler on an official answer. But really she plays most like Olaf and Udyr, a semi-tough champion who relies on hard dive damage, map control and surviving long enough to DPS. Again, Riot says Juggernaut, but I think the old description was more accurate "Tough DPS". Meaning she is there to deal DPS and be tough enough to survive in melee range to do so, NOT to lock anybody down, NOT to peel.


What are Shyvana's abilities? In short... Passive: Armor/MR

Q: Does a double basic attack, CD reduced by basic attacks, applies on hit effects twice. Scales well with on hit and attack speed.

W: Does AoE damage and flat damage on hit while active, gives movespeed, duration increased by basic attacks. Scales well with attack speed.

E: Does initial damage in a line, marked targets take %HP damage on hit. Scales well with attack speed.

R: Leaps a long range, stopped by CC, deals AoE damage, makes her other spells more AoE and makes her tougher. Has a buggy, unreliably push during leap.

As you can see, no reliable, effective CC to act as a peeling or initiation tank. Just a ton of damage.

Important! Once Shyvana's ult is down she has no natural escape in her kit, and while her ult is down it is almost impossible for her to hard engage especially under enemy towers.


What damage type is Shyvana? VERY IMPORTANT! Shyvana deals a lot of magic damage. If you ever find yourself questioning why she was picked on an AD heavy team or why she has a wit's end, it's because she doesn't build AD, her AD and AP scalings are rather garbage so she relies on on hit damage and the base power of her kit. She ends up dealing between 35-60% magic damage depending on what build and gameplay style you are following. She doesn't benefit a lot from armor pen so don't expect her to buy your team's black cleaver. Her W/E/R all do magic damage initially, and her W/E do magic damage on hit as well.


What does Shyvana DO? 1 Farm: Shyvana is a jungler as of now, she use to be a very effective top laner but with changes to her and the game she was pushed into only jungle(Note exceptions for some oddball off meta players and one tricks). She has extremely fast clear, but her lack of pre-6 CC and gap closers means she is nearly useless at ganking. An inexperienced Shyvana will just power farm until she hits 6 then try for ganks. An experienced Shyvana will likely make counter ganks to turn them on the enemy, invade their jungler a lot with her massive dueling power and go for early dragons(sometimes sneaking them, she can solo it with only item 1043 item 3706 item 2003 I've even done it without the complete stalkers blade). Don't expect her to gank your lane, play safe unless you are well warded and are on the strong end of a lane matchup. She won't gank. It isn't going to happen. Until 6 literally all she can do is run at the enemy.

2 Split Push: Shyvana is a VERY powerful duelist, few champions with equal or lesser gold can beat her, and she almost always has a gold advantage due to her massive jungle clear speeds and strong invade potential. Don't ping her to back over and over, if she is split pushing she usually has her ult and summoner spell up. Her ult is a 1000 range leap and her summoner spell is usually flash or ghost, sometimes exhaust. She is tanky enough, fast enough and powerful enough to get out of most situations. Pinging danger is coming is fine. But if she KNOWS that enemy ADC and tank are coming, spamming pings isn't going to change her strategy, likely just frustrate her, you and your team. Don't expect her to group a lot, inexperienced Shyvana's may overcommit to grouping or splitting, but even experienced ones tend to waver between the two. She won't always group, she is a very strong split pusher and can take down enemy towers fast. Use the numbers advantage. Grouping 5v5 mid and diving the enemy tower isn't always a good idea anyway...

3 damage: Shyvana as we said has NO reliable and effective CC. She does however have damage. She has damage and mobility, a strong movement speed W, a 1000 unit leap, flash/ghost, either mercs/swiftees and even some movement speed items. Some Shyvana's even advocate movespeed for quints. So she can move, and deal damage, hybrid damage. So in a skirmish, gank or teamfight you can expect her to deal damage. That is it. She has no other tools, just damage and mobility.


Who should I play with Shyvana? CC champions. Shyvana doesn't bring any reliable and effective CC to a team other than her summoner spell options, red buff and late game perhaps a mallet. So if you are a mid mage? Pick one with CC. If you are a top laner? CC. ADC? CC. Support? CC. People like Leona, Ashe, Malphite, Annie, Syndra, Nautilus among others, go well with her. But another subset do as well, hard initiation champions. During team fights or Skirmishes Shyvana ulting in means she intends to stay in, she doesn't have natural escape once she blows her ult, and her ult is susceptible to CC. So playing people who can hard dive, hard initiate and win team fights works well with her. In general, she works well with strong team fighting champions. Because her attribute is damage, so the rest has to be covered. Also because if she is split pushing, you may have to team fight without her entirely. So CC and hard dive are both great with Shyvana.

Overall, treat her like you would Riven, Olaf, Tryndamere or Irelia. Even if they aren't in her group, they like her exist mostly for their damage and/or are strong split pushers. Treating her like you would them, will prevent you from tricking yourself into thinking she is a tank.


How can I help Shyvana? Experienced Shyvana's invade a lot, but due to lack of natural escape pre-6 are susceptible to being collapsed on. Be ready to help her in counter jungling. She is a dueling monster but early game cannot do crude to mid, top and jungle all closing on her. Pinging mias is obvious, but for Shyvana it is essential, she is 100% about map awareness and situational awareness, helping her by pinging enemy location or mia enemies is a big help.

Only help her with dragon if she pings for help or it's an obvious "We just killed bot lane, now we go get dragon" situation. She can solo it, and probably is, unless a laner heads towards her or the enemy jungler shows up, she will be fine. Even then, she can situationally deal with most enemy junglers even at dragon, but may need help.

Crowd Control. Can't say it enough. Don't expect her to be the team's tank. In fact, if she is selected in champ select, purposefully note that "We don't have a tank yet, can somebody pick a tank?" If you want, she will appreciate it ;D. Shyvana isn't a tank, she is a Juggernaut, a Tough DPS. She is there to do damage and split push.

Ban: Vayne, Blue Ezreal and Caitlyn.


TL:DR Shyvana is not a tank as she lacks CC, her kit synergizes with attack speed, she cannot peel or initiate well because she relies on her team for the crowd control. She is a split pusher and won't always be grouped. She does a lot of damage. Pre-6 she can hardly gank and lacks natural escape. She can solo dragon. She does hybrid damage but does not scale well with AP or AD. Once she has burned her ult she has no natural escape. While her ult is down initiation is almost impossible for her. Don't expect early ganks. Play CC and team fight oriented champions with her. She will not fill your team tank role.


Thank you for reading, hope I clarified some misconceptions and helped out some people who otherwise would have been confused on what to do with the Shyvana on their team.

60 Comments

Raiku Kawisa8 votes

There was a point when I considered being the "Malicious Metal" for Shyvana... you are doing it far better than I would have.

Ralanr4 votes

I hate it when people mistake juggernauts for tanks. Especially those with really bad peel potential.

THE RlVER KlNG3 votes

I know you're trying to be the MM of Shyvanas, but he at least makes meaningful threads without trying to upvote farm the same tired topic

Dominick Destine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MAIeUKyr,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-11-08T12:35:29.000+0000)

I know you're trying to be the MM of Shyvanas

I want to be the MM of Evelynn and the word "Draconian".

That would be fucking awesome.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

???

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

I'm not trying to be anything. I've never made a post about how Shyvana works in a team, where she fits in one, how to play with her and what her strengths and weaknesses are. >.> I'm just tired of being complained at by ADCs for not peeling, so I decided to write a miniguide on how to play with the champion.

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

No, it's just literally every day there's something from you about Shyvana, random stuff, asking for buffs, saying how great she is, all sorts of irrelevant stuff that belongs somewhere else. The boards are not a personal blog for you to talk about how much you love Shyvana and how bad she has it.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

I didn't know you were a boards moderator to determine what champion people are allowed to talk about and how often they are allowed to talk about them? Why are you even mad bro?

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Also I have posted about: Ashe, Thornmail, varius jokes about ADCs, threads about general design, my interest in the talon rework and how I might pick him up, a couple different champion thematics, the need for old champions to have more dialogue. And commented on a number of other people's threads unrelated to Shyvana. If however I want to share my thoughts about something related to my favorite champion. I will.

Dominick Destine3 votes

Shyvana sucks.

And I say this as a big fan of Shyvana. She needs buffs.

Raiku Kawisa3 votes

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Shyvana sucks.

And I say this as a big fan of Shyvana. She needs buffs.

I would not go as far as to say Shyvana sucks. She is very good at what she does, its just what she does isn't very good in this meta.

Captain Aishi3 votes

'she's very good at doing things that are not very useful for winning games' yeah I have to agree with DD on this one... and I main shyv X(

Raiku Kawisa2 votes

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'she's very good at doing things that are not very useful for winning games' yeah I have to agree with DD on this one... and I main shyv XD

Do not twist my words. Getting objectives and counterjungling are useful ways to win the game.

Dark Nephthys2 votes

I have been a Shyvana main since early season 3 though for the 3-4 years I've been maining her was Top lane (Even in Season 3, Shyv top was still really good, even though I was called a troll many times back then). However, lately I have noticed that she is having a bit of a rough time top since its mostly ranged top laners now (at least for me...) so I've been trying her out as a Jungler since I almost never played her there until a few days ago.

I agree with everything you said. And wouldn't mind getting some opinions on builds from you (or any other Shyvana main for the Jungle). This is usually my build item 1419 item 3078 item 3068 item 3065 item 3742 then for boots either item 3009 /item 3158 /item 3111 depending on the enemy. I usually just farm in the jungle until I see an enemy is over extending and pushed to our tower or if I'm near by when their jungler ganks, since Shyvana ganks aren't the best. I probably played around 8 jungle Shyvana games in the past 3-4 days and only 1 of them I did poorly and lost with so I'm feeling that I do well with her but still feel like I could improve.

I do hope that the meta shifts back away from what it is now and we start getting back into more Melee top so I could start playing her top again lol.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

I honestly cannot offer the best Shyvana advise out there. I usually go

item 1416 > item 3091/item 3512/item 3742 > item 3143/item 3742/item 3075 > item 3091/item 3065/item 3512 > item 3078/item 3153item 3123

With situationals being item 3053 item 1401 item 3068 item 3046 item 3022

But my starting point for my modern Shyvana build was this guide. The guy is super bias and his tactics odd, but it is a great place to start.

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/6-21-shyvana-jungle-total-guide-the-most-in-depth-427599

RaiokuMoonscar2 votes

Personally I prefer LyteChai's Guide on moba, but that's just me.

but your right about Shyvana's builds needing to be per game situational

I usually always go either item 3748 / item 3091 or item 3078 2nd item, if I don't need to build tanky early

GULAG 4 U1 votes

ayyy lmao i'm not the only person who builds wit's end on shyv llul

Keti1 votes

Your build needs a titanic as shyvana, no matter what. It's the most important item to get and should be picked asap after bloodrazor if you're not in serious need of defensive stats.

Bloodrazor -> titanic -> full tank. Always.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

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Your build needs a titanic as shyvana, no matter what. It's the most important item to get and should be picked asap after bloodrazor if you're not in serious need of defensive stats.

Bloodrazor -> titanic -> full tank. Always.

I personally love item 3078 on her and feel it's a great item that offers everything Shyvana needs. When I go top lane I'll usually go item 3748 item 3078 + Tank after. But Trinity is what I usually build now that item 3153 was nerfed to hard.

Keti1 votes

Triforce is acceptable if you are top lane shyvana. But top lane shyvana is unacceptable to begin with.

Bork is garbage.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

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Triforce is acceptable if you are top lane shyvana. But top lane shyvana is unacceptable to begin with.

Bork is garbage.

Shyvana does well top lane usually, or at least I generally do well with her there. Though I haven't played her to much top lane lately since we always get these annoying ranged top laners. If we start heading back into the tank meta and start seeing tanks top lane, then Shyvana top can do well again.

Captain Aishi1 votes

my current toplane shyv build is triforce, steraks, GA, mallet, ZZrot, the early triforce is good for splitpushing and fighting 1v1 early, but soon you need to group and you get focused by the enemy team, steraks is a great way to do that, and GA 3rd because after 2 health items, some mixed resists are nice, and the revive passive sometimes discourages people from focusing you as much, and if they do, it gives time for your team to catch up/end the fight so you don't die instantly when you revive... hopefully :P

Zelorxon2 votes

How to play shyvana:

  1. Press Enter
  2. Type "/mute all"
  3. Press Enter
  4. Press P
  5. Buy your items
  6. Start the game

-edit-

When you see me doing dragon please, don't let mid and bot collapse on me, and please, send at least the support, you have no idea how fucking useful those autos are, it makes the difference between having to ult to tank the last 2 autos or surviving the dragon with my ult up and over 50% hp

ABlueQuaker2 votes

Best uses for Shyvanna:

  • Split-pushing.
  • Diving backline.
  • Peeling backline if you a) can't dive their backline AND b) have BotRK/Mallet/Randuin's that you can at least somewhat peel for your carries with. At the very least you can soften them up for your carry.

I mainly play Shyvanna on my smurf (Gold III) and between item 3022 item 3078 item 3512 you can pretty much do any of these things. Round out the build with item 3143 item 3065 and boots and you're golden.

Shyvanna can't teamfight that well in general until she's a few items in, but she can draw a lot of attention with her split-push in the meantime.

RizHippoKhan2 votes

OMG THANK YOU! ITS SO TILTING WHEN TEAMMATES FLAME U FOR NOT GOING TANK EVEN IF U R FED

DunkinNoobs2 votes

This guide is good, but it could be done in much less words. Watch:

Build Tank Shyv.

You build tank if you want a tank.

Shyv Group.

Hell Naw.

Shyv stop farming.

Fuck you.

Shifune2 votes

Nothing like looking up when you're finished farming just to see that you're 3 levels ahead of everyone and full build at 30mins. Then you proceed to kill everything in your path.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Really helpful post Mira.

Nothing like turning a gank around.

Especially if your laner has CC.

SlaktarTasken2 votes

Excellent post, clearly describes the strenghts and weaknessess of Shyvana, clarifies her role, her synergies and what to expect from her. +1

Tuplamela2 votes

Thanks to Mira's posts I have been trying to pick up Shyvana. I main support but I like playing jungle too. However I haven't had very good results, mostly due to lack of CC in my teams and lack of experience. I have also noticed that Karma and Janna are pain to play against as Shyvana. item 3022 Doesn't seem to help much either.

However you mentioned invades. Which junglers you would not invade and which you would? I have had mixed results fighting off invading Lees. Olaf and Elise I didn't have hard time with.

Celebrimborr1 votes

I would try not to invade against Volibear UdyrRengar Graves Sometimes Trundle

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Me personally.

Usually Invade Amumu DrMundo Elise Evelynn Fiddlesticks Gragas Graves Kayle Kindred Maokai Nautilus RekSai Rengar Sejuani Shyvana Sion Teemo Udyr Volibear Yorick Zac

Maybe invade Warwick MonkeyKing Vi Skarner Quinn Poppy Pantheon Olaf Nunu Nocturne LeeSin JarvanIV Ekko Diana Alistar

NEVER INVADE Hecarim Khazix MasterYi Nidalee Rammus Trundle XinZhao Shaco

Based on personal experiences.

Tuplamela1 votes

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Me personally.

Usually Invade Amumu DrMundo Elise Evelynn Fiddlesticks Gragas Graves Kayle Kindred Maokai Nautilus RekSai Rengar Sejuani Shyvana Sion Teemo Udyr Volibear Yorick Zac

Maybe invade Warwick MonkeyKing Vi Skarner Quinn Poppy Pantheon Olaf Nunu Nocturne LeeSin JarvanIV Ekko Diana Alistar

NEVER INVADE Hecarim Khazix MasterYi Nidalee Rammus Trundle XinZhao Shaco

Based on personal experiences.

I would have thought that Graves and Kindred can kite the hell out of you in jungle.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

With the cooldowns they have VS Shyvana's higher base movement speed, movespeed quints and W, no. Once you get red buff on them it's GG.

Tuplamela1 votes

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With the cooldowns they have VS Shyvana's higher base movement speed, movespeed quints and W, no. Once you get red buff on them it's GG.

I was trying to stalk your rune pages on lolking, but didn't find a page with MS quints. Assuming that's old information, what do you actually run on her? MS quints, yellow armor, red attack speed and blue mr?

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Change my runes daily. MR is almost useless on her unless you are specifically facing AP threats in the early game. Otherwise she has natural MR and buys wit/spirit visage anyway. I go CDR blues, AS or Movespeed Quins, AS or Hybrid pen marks, Armor or Scaling armor yellow. Recently dropped movespeed quints as they weren't entirely necessary for how I am playing her, and squeezing out slightly more dueling power and power to solo camps and dragon earlier is strong imo. Movespeed quints was just the 'in excess' and a lot of Shyvana's like it.

GULAG 4 U2 votes

If you peel with shyvana you essentially lose your only engage in a teamfight seriously, you shouldn't ever need peel unless there's a zed/kha'zix/lebullshit/rengod/assassin/master yi if your positioning isn't karbord 69

Captain Aishi2 votes

shyvana's original design was to basically be a melee ADC like yi, tryndamere, etc. and her defensive mechanism was being able to take a beating before going down instead of having immortality or untargetability

Since I mostly play her toplane, I love when my jungler picks sejuani, evelynn, kayle, for different reasons sejuani is great for starting the fight and letting me unleash damage on locked targets evelynn is great for flanking as I ult in and keeping people in place/assassinating at least 1 damage option in the enemy team so i can soak longer for the rest of the team to follow up (her ult dashes far away, it's hard for many champions to follow quickly on that) and kayle because if I am to be the only one taking all the enemy's damage as I go in, at least I won't be taking damage at all when she ults me, and she provides good AOE damage and resists shred to enhance mine as well, usually letting the rest of the team clean up stragglers quite easily

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Sort of, she was originally considered among what LoL use to call "Tough DPS". Now they are called Juggernauts. Just as ADC became Marksman.

LeMemeBoy1 votes

who literally cares about shyvana anymore?

i mained her for 2 years, until riot decided that instead of removing sated devourer, they're just going to gut her.

her q has been GUTTED. changes to her w to help her clear the jungle were REVERTED. her dragon jump is just as buggy as it was DAY ONE.

maybe if she could top lane i'd be interested in that, but when that whole smite shyvana top shit started riot decided they wanted to remove shyvana from laning. and then jungling.

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

A lot of people. My last post about the QoL changes and fixes for Shyvana's design got into hundreds of upvotes and comments.

bad arcade kitty1 votes

Without CC she cannot properly initiate a teamfight

what the rot is it? she initiates a tf by diving their carry, the rest follows

Anski1 votes

What? Shyvana is a great peeler because of her raw stats. You are wrong. I can't count how many games I would have lost if I did not peel for my ADC.

And Shyvana IS a tank. There is no such thing as a glass cannon Shyvana. You don't need CC to be tanky.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

How exactly are you peeling the threat of your adc? Because other than damage you have nothing. If you are killing your ADC's attacker cool, but that isn't typically what people mean when the say peel. Peel is peeling the enemy off of them to give them space. That is all Shyvana has, damage, which is why she is a Juggernaut, like Garen, Darius, Nasus and others who are tanky damage dealers. Buying defensive items =/= tank. Shyvana is a sustained damage dealer, in order to deal sustained damage from melee range without dying, she has to buy defensive items. That doesn't mean she fills anywhere near the same role as Sejauni or Nautilus or Hecarim, who are champions that can peel, lock down and properly disrupt.

And as a diamond Shyvana player, you should certainly understand this massive difference, between a champion who literally only has only damage and who's only gap closer is easily stopped by CC and who melts if acting as the primary initiator. And a champion who has endless lockdown, medium-low damage, easy and effective hard dive power and the tankiness to initiate before anybody else without melting in the brief 1v5 that an initiation is.

Back before the word Juggernaut was used, there was another term called "Tough DPS" used for people like Shyvana, Garen and Olaf. They have never been considered tanks.

Anski1 votes

That is how Shyvana peels. She deals a lot of damage. High DPS is a form of peel. I would not be diamond if I did not learn how to use this strategy, that is the fact of the matter.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Then she isn't a tank. Tanks do not peel with damage. The role of a tank in a moba is to provide the team with a tanky source of initiation and CC. Shyvana does not provide that. In fact one of the first things Valkrin joked about on his stream when playing Shyvana was how many people assume she is a tank when she doesn't at all fill that role.

Anski1 votes

If you are playing a champion with 4k hp then you are playing a tank. If your ahri goes full tank, you now have a tank on your team.

I notice that I typically deal the highest damage on my team and also absorb the most damage. Those statistics indicate to me that I am a tank that deals a lot of damage, that's all I need to know. Trying to classify champions in certain roles won't get you anywhere.

If you want to play Shyvana correctly you need to know when you have to peel.

Damage is a form of peel. The best defense is a good offense.

I don't know what else you want me to say, I have nothing else to say. You initially stated that Shyvana does not peel. This is not true.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

No, if you are playing a champion with 4k HP and do most(or close to most) damage, but have no/little CC. You are a Juggernaut, or before that term was created mobas called them Tough DPS.

Dasdi961 votes

This is why I do not want a shyvana jungle on my team. Completely selfish pick in a team player role.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

lol?

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