Stop complaining about Tryndamere's ultimate keeping him alive during Urgot's ultimate.

Critkeeper··62 votes·7,148 views

Tryndamere's interaction isn't a special case.

Urgot does 101% of the champion's remaining health if they are below the threshold, then it causes them to die regardless of how much health they have left.

Tryndamere's ultimate makes him immune to death. It doesn't say anything about being immune to damage-- he is just simply immune to death itself for 5 seconds. If his health would be reduced below a certain amount (30, 50, 70), he still takes the damage but his health is instantly reset to that amount, and the damage doesn't kill him because he can't die.

He takes the true damage, then whether he would die from that or from Urgot "causing him to die regardless of how much health he has left", he just doesn't die-- because he is IMMUNE TO DEATH.

EDIT:

Apparently this is actually what Urgot's ultimate does:

First it deals 100% of the enemy health as true damage, then it deals true damage in powers of 10 until the enemy dies, from 10 to 1,000,000.

So I guess if you had a 1,111,111 shield, you would survive. Regardless of how it is coded, the idea behind Urgot's ultimate is that it causes the target to die and the idea behind Tryndamere's ultimate is that he is immune to death.

Asking for Urgot's ult to go through Tryndamere's ultimate is like asking for hard crowd control that goes through Olaf's ult.

87 Comments

Morgy Morgy38 votes

the hilarious thing is that people are trying to apply realism to this game saying getting pulled into a grinder should kill you no matter what without realizing hitting anyone with trynd's sword should fucking instantly kill them realistically because it's as big as trynd himself

Danjeng8 votes

Realistically, Tryn wouldn't be able to even lift that sword.

I Main Swain1 votes

it depends on how strong he's supposed to be and what the sword is made of. one handed though yeah no way he could casually slam someone with his sword the way he does

AwesomeGuyDj12 votes

Tryndamere basically got juiced the fuck up by Aatrox gaining demonic power. Like steroids, but demons.

I Main Swain1 votes

did i miss something they added to his lore? from his champion story i can see how you could get that as a theory but now im curious if theres some tryndamere stuff that came out that i didnt know about (tryndamere is one of my old favorites especially with his lore)

AwesomeGuyDj2 votes

I never read his champ story, i just did. It doesnt officially confirm, but one of aatrox Voice lines is "tryndamere, My greatest creation" so, kind of a dead giveaway there.

I Main Swain2 votes

i always thought it in a sort of "i made you who you are today" kinda thing, like he was what set tryndamere down the path of revenge, but i like the thought of that as an addition so thats my new official headcanon (that or tryndamere has some iceborn blood or something of that sort and thats why he can withstand death like that)

i love lore and lore theories

Blackstone015 votes

Aatrox is an ancient Darkin dedicated to war. At one point he riled up some Noxus soldiers that were losing a battle to Tryndamere's clan or something, eradicating his clan. Tryndamere became filled with rage and wiped out the soldiers, which apparently is what Aatrox wanted, either making Tryndamere a source of potential conflict or setting him up to be a new host.

The Lexer30 votes

Well, his right arm is a lot stronger than his left arm

Colton14714 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Lexer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M9WE6pHi,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2017-07-28T04:14:37.228+0000)

Well, his right arm is a lot stronger than his left arm

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LXII5 votes

I think most people's argument was that Riot straight up guaranteed inescapable death if R2 triggered. They even went as far as to say NOTHING can stop it besides killing Urgot.

In truth, everything you would expect to stop it... Well does stop it.

If it wasn't marketed as a "guaranteed kill through literally anything" nobody would be upset that it doesn't.

Giggling Granny1 votes

kayle ulti stop it too!!

Tahm kench with 10k hp and his E stop it (vendril make a video)

Anything that stop you from dying stop it too (G.A/Zhyonias/etc)

RiotRiot Ellarian18 votes

Look Trynd's just like...really, really angry, OK? Have you ever been so mad that you lived through a bunch of sawblades inside a robot crab man's stomach? I just hate it when my immersion is ruined by things like really angry dudes living through stuff.

Zelorxon4 votes

Why hasn't tryndamere been banned for toxicity i ask myself.

Dominick Destine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Mantikles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M9WE6pHi,comment-id=00010004,timestamp=2017-07-29T03:30:49.151+0000)

Look Trynd's just like...really, really angry, OK? Have you ever been so mad that you lived through a bunch of sawblades inside a robot crab man's stomach? I just hate it when my immersion is ruined by things like really angry dudes living through stuff.

New Rioter? have not seen Riot Mantikles before.....

What department do you hail from, Mr. Rioter? [It used to say next to you guys' name but no longer]

RiotRiot Ellarian3 votes

I hail from the distant lands of HR (or as we call it, Talent). Also I think you can still mouseover my name and it says my job title (which isn't exactly descriptive of what I do, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯ )

Chromatic Eagle2 votes

Well, what is it that you do exactly?

RiotRiot Ellarian3 votes

I design and implement programs that help set the bar for what good looks like at Riot. We run stuff like peer feedback and performance reviews, etc.

Dominick Destine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Mantikles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M9WE6pHi,comment-id=0001000400020000,timestamp=2017-07-31T17:28:40.465+0000)

I hail from the distant lands of HR (or as we call it, Talent). Also I think you can still mouseover my name and it says my job title (which isn't exactly descriptive of what I do, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯ )

I'm using FEK and it seems to be broken since its last update because I see nothing that indicates your department. I probably should fix that....

Anyway I bet you hear the "inhuman resources department" joke like 50 times a year at least.

korg0231 votes

If this game was realistic, Aurelion Sol would be bigger than the planer summoner rift is on,Teemo would not be able to blind Lee Sin since he is already blind,Brand would be healed if ignited, You would be able to jump over Cait traps as Tristana or jump over skillshots in general. This game is everything but realistic, it has set of runes that defy the logic.

jmp23111 votes

And Kayle ult as well. Don't forget that one

SociopathFriend4 votes

Kayle, Tryn, and Kindred- forever forcing people to ask "Will this work?" on their ults.

Skorch6 votes

Actually a rioter commented on this.

Tryndamere doesnt survive because of math, he survives because it was coded.

Urgots ult does i BELEIVE % health + up to 1 Million true damage or something like that.

Need Gold 4 Tent2 votes

Vandiril proved that a Tahm could survive it with enough hp in a ridiculous build. Forgot the exact details, but it was an AP Varus nuking him down to near dead, him shielding off an entire hp bar worth of gray hp and I think there might have been a shield bot Karma.

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

I think thats a bug, if u watch the video most the time a damage indication doesnt even appear.

The Rioter who design Urgot has stated that it does 100% of Current HP + up to a million damage, all as true damage. So tahm should not be surviving, even with the large shields.

Big Lincoln5 votes

it should be pure damage

dodge the skillshot if you want to live tbh

AwesomeGuyDj3 votes

Down voted for stating opinion. Ok. Because its not like people have actually read the side note saying that you should down vote based on whether you think the content is valuable or not.

Jerry SeinfeId5 votes

So if people don't think your opinion is valuable they can downvote you. Like that's what it's for, jeez it's just a number.

yesnobanana8 votes

why should urgot be a special champ and make trynda's ult useless?

dodge the skillshot if you want to live tbh

By that logic, the mages that you hate so much are weak because you can dodge ther skillshot.

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

The point "why should he make trynda's ult useless?" doesn't really hold in my opinion.

Why shouldn't Urgot be allowed to counter Tryndameres ult with his own, while Gangplank is allowed to hard counter Urgots ult with his W, a basic skill with much less CD? Even if the reeling in animation started, Gangplank can simply eat an orange and Urgots ult is completely worthless against him.

A Rioter stated that there were actually quite some people at Riot who wanted to make Urgots ultimate "true death". Meaning if the enemy was low enough, the enemy would die no matter what, even with Tarics, Kayles and Tryndameres ult stacking.

But they decided against this because they thought it could possibly create too much frustration (Remember the complaints about Camilles ult? Same would have happened to Urgot.). That's why they decided in favor of the defender in these cases. But making it "true death" makes alot of sense thematically in my opinion and it's kinda sad.

Jerry SeinfeId6 votes

And that's only fair? Why should champions who are supposed to be in a state of invulnerability/undying Rage be killed?

That would just give urgot a counter to a bunch of champs. Urgot's ult does 100% current health, 10, 100, 1000, 10000 true damage. Kayle/taric make your team invulnerable, so they ignore the damage - as intended kindred/Trynd's HP can't go below XHP, so they don't go below that - as intended Gangplank Disables Supress, and thus disables Urgot's second cast - as intended

Creating a champ just to counter X champion would be bad design tbh. Lore and Theme are important but Gameplay comes first. Sometimes it just happens to work out like that. Example: Shen VS Zed rivals, shen counters zed ult, this is ok because in a 1v1 Zed will most likely win because he can dodge most of shen's kit.

This is good champion interaction compared to lore, they both have the ability to outplay each other.

Urgot can outplay most of them btw, you get like 3 seconds after hitting them. If you ult a Trynd who has ult, he deserves to get out. Kayle's ult is 2.5 seconds so even if she had it active to block your first cast it'll be down unless you immediatly reactivate like a retard.

what i'm trying to say is that countering isn't something to design a champ around (countering classes is fine ex.: malzahar). every execute in the game can be countered in some way, even the 3k dmg veigar ult. So a true death ability has no place in this game.

Zedex5 votes

Can Kayle save a teammate with her R? What about Taric? If so, then I'm perfectly ok with Tryndamere being able to do it. If not, it does make sense, but those others should be immune too.

Meep Man5 votes

They can save an ally, it's just harder to time.

DorkunedAuras2 votes

If you are immune to death, you are immune to Urgot ult.

3TWarrior1 votes

didn't the ally become untargetable?

they specifically stated the only way to "stop" it was to kill urgot

Auz the Ripper3 votes

if they manage to hit it before urgot re-casts his R and the invulnerability outlasts the animation, the target will survive. and the are actually a bunch of ways to stop it: one of the funniest is an allied camille ult, Urgot can't drag the enemy out and the ultimate will cancel itself

ThE GhOsT MK1 votes

What about Kindreds ult?

Auz the Ripper1 votes

I'm not sure, it really depends on how kindred ult affects untargetable units

Colgate Gator4 votes

He just refuses to be grinded down, that's some serious balls.

Joxcab3 votes

no no no i must call it a super champion specific interaction so i can use it to make a retarded qq thread about urgot r without understanding that's the way both abilities are supposed to work with each other in the first place and is still balanced for over half a dozen reasons

and then cry and cry and cry until riot panders to my stupidity

:^)

TheHappyReaperz2 votes

How is it super-specific? Any champ with a revive in their kit/Kayle can avoid death from Urgot's ult.

Zelis2 votes

im sorry, doesnt matter what tryn's ult says. He is basically being thrown into a woodchipper and he does look like colossus during his ult. a say gib his ass, or in the least have his be stunned for like .75 after the effect ends.

Meep Man6 votes

No. We can't start this stupid Arms Race.

Ultîma1 votes

I think the idea behind this argument is that people want Urgot's ultimate to act as a "True Death" mechanic, rather than a fancy execute. The mechanic doesn't have a precedent for it in League yet, and it seems like it would be pretty interesting to add to his kit.

Critkeeper1 votes

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I think the idea behind this argument is that people want Urgot's ultimate to act as a "True Death" mechanic, rather than a fancy execute. The mechanic doesn't have a precedent for it in League yet, and it seems like it would be pretty interesting to add to his kit.

even if it were "true death" tryndamere would still be immune to it in undying rage, because tryndamere is immune to death in undying rage

Romans VI XXIII2 votes

Well "true" death would ignore tryn ult and other invinsibilities, just like how true damage ignores damage reduction, even if the damage reduction is coming from the source of the true damage.

Champion Skin1 votes

Well there is pure damage which does ignore Tryndamere and Kayle ult.... and it is already in the game.... the fountain laser is the only thing though (well there was that bug with Red smite killing Tryndamere through ult.... but that was fixed)

MagikarpIsBoss1 votes

It does not do 101% hp. It does 9999 true damage. You can survive this under certain circumstances (and im not talking about invulnerability or canceling it).

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