Hextech Gunblade on Malz?

Caítlyn·Jul 16, 2016·3 votes·1,359 views

Good idea on ?

16 Comments

RisenDarkKnightJul 16, 20162 votes

I really like it. It's won me multiple teamfights where I got low and flashed out but then my voidling army healed me to full. It also has a nice active gives a good amount of AP and AD.

That said, I usually get it 3rd item, as Rylai's is more important and jg malz needs runic first and lane malz needs a mana item first.

Sire HippingtonJul 16, 20162 votes

It'S a luxority item on him, but certainly strong. Ther are just other items that are generally more important for him like rylais, morellos and voidstaff, and for raw damag rabadons does more. The sustain is quite awsome though and the slow active sometimes comes in really handy.

The ad give as much damage to voidlings as 160ap would, so the damage that gunblade gives to voidlings equals 240ap. However, most of that is physical and thus does not profit from magic pen and nothing else scales with ap. Also, with just 280ap from other items, Rabadons actually grants 240ap and thus matches gunblade for voidlings and offers far more for the rest of his kit.

It might be suprisingly strong if rushed, though you might run into mana issues and delay the rylais slow that alows your voidlings to stick to the target.

MarshbouyJul 16, 20161 votes

Eh? It's about the same as deaths dance. Need to land a lot of minions to get any health back. Probably best in a long teamfight

The Last BalladJul 16, 20161 votes

But it also is the only one to give spell vamp, so it would proc on his e, q, and ult aswell, whereas deaths dance would only proc on the minions.

Void NargacugaJul 16, 20161 votes

Strangely Death's Dance doesn't work for pets like Malzahar's Voidlings.

From Gunblade's wiki page under trivia: Unlike Death's Dance Hextech Gunblade also heals for damage dealt by summoned pets such as Malzahars Voidling.

Sire HippingtonJul 16, 20161 votes

That's a mistake in the wiki, most likely resulting from nearly all pets doing magical damage rather than physical. I recently played malz with death's dance, and my voidlings did heal me.

Void NargacugaJul 16, 20161 votes

You're probably correct. I should probably try to update the wiki for those two items. I think that healing is less though when compared to the healing of Gunblade due to the Voidlings mixed damage.

I remember seeing someone have a test comparison of the two, but it was for old Malzahar. And found the healing was higher with Gunblade.

Zane ZephyrJul 16, 20161 votes

It's not that good. I've used it a couple of times, the healing on it was pretty meh. Not really worth.

CaítlynJul 16, 20161 votes

Not really for the healing. Dont his minions scale off both AP and AD so this would be the single best item to boost them?

Sire HippingtonJul 16, 20161 votes

if you just want to boost minion damage and nothing else, raw ad items bring the most damage, For maximal voidling damage, item 3042 item 3142 item 3147 item 3071 item 3812 , as their ad scaleing is alot better than the ap scaleing and it's the physical damage that scales of ad, so it profits alot from armorpen

CaítlynJul 16, 20161 votes

Each individual minion procs item 3042 ?

Sire HippingtonJul 16, 20161 votes

no, but you need the mana as your entire damage depends on spaming W and keeping E up for the ms-boost on the voidlings, and the gold to ad ratio is quit good on it once stacked.

Lady HammerlockJul 16, 20161 votes

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Not really for the healing. Dont his minions scale off both AP and AD so this would be the single best item to boost them?

and it would add some burst with its active maybe?i guess?

MadManApocalypseJul 16, 20161 votes

Malz Minions also get a 1:1 AD ratio.

Sire HippingtonJul 16, 20161 votes

Not since the rework. The ad-ratio has been changed to 30-40% based on rank, as you can reliably get far more voidlings now. He had higher ratios in early PBE iterations, and that was just bonkers.