AD Sylas Consideration

Elite4Runner··3 votes·3,544 views

I think it is really cool that Sylas has an automatic conversion in his ultimate that makes it so he can utilize ultimates that scale with AD ratios.

HOWEVER, ... what happens if Sylas is building AD?

Why not make an adaptive calculation so if Sylas has more AD than AP the copied ability continues to scale with the original AD ratios?


It is actually very ironic that I am campaigning for this because it has always bothered me how significantly more champions in this game are viable using AD when compared to the number of champions that are not at all viable using AP. I guess I should just leave be happy that Sylas is going to be an addition to the rare exception to this rule, .. but .. I actually don't like when champions lack flexibility.

My rationality is that with an AP build he would have strong abilities that offer damage output, mobility, crowd control, as well as trigger a decently strong passive, and is viable, OR POTENTIALLY EVEN BETTER user of almost any ultimate than the champion he copies it from.

On the flip side, an AD build would have good sustained damge from auto attacks, and the use of abilities for weak damage output, but while maintaining mobility and crowd control, as well as triggering strong uses of his passive, and IDENTICAL value from AD scaling ultimate as the champion he is copying from.

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Dynikus1 votes

why would you build him with AD?

Slam Dùnk1 votes

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why would you build him with AD?

to be jax

taleofsonata1 votes

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to be jax

so he can build lethality and start doing true damage, durr durr.

Elite4Runner1 votes

Because he couldn't just get Wits End and / or Guinsoo's Rageblade and deal true damage as he is now?

Elite4Runner2 votes

His passive has a 100% AD ratio and all of his other abilities work for mobility, crowd control, and as a means of activating his passive.

He would actually be viable, IF he was able to retain the original AD ratios. .. The drawback here would be that stealing a champion's ultimate that scales on AP would be very weak, but I would consider that to be an acceptable trade in this case.

The reason why I think it is weird the way it is currently is because the ability ALREADY scales with AD, so it is weird that the copy can't also scale with AD as well.

Dynikus1 votes

His passive is just an empowered aoe auto with a slight bit of AD, and 20% ap on it. None of his abilities scale with AD. I don't really see why you'd build it.

Elite4Runner1 votes

Yeah, .. his passive deals damage in an AOE .. and the damage scales with 100% AD .. Why is that confusing?

You realize that Tiamat and Ravenous Hydra don't even deal 100% AD with their passive cleave?

Illabethe1 votes

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Yeah, .. his passive deals damage in an AOE .. and the damage scales with 100% AD .. Why is that confusing?

You realize that Tiamat and Ravenous Hydra don't even deal 100% AD with their passive cleave?

It also has a built in cooldown of 15 seconds.

Elite4Runner2 votes

.... No, it doesn't. It has no cooldown.

Or do you mean Tiamat? ... that actually helps my point.

Illabethe1 votes

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.... No, it doesn't. It has no cooldown.

Or do you mean Tiamat? ... that actually helps my point.

Petricite Burst (Passive) 16/15/14/13/12 second Cooldown "After casting a spell, Sylas's next basic attack whirls his energized chains around him, dealing [100% Total AD] (+5/8/10/13/15/18/20/23/25/28/30/33/35/38/40/43/45/48) (+20% AP) magic damage to enemies hit."

https://www.surrenderat20.net/2019/01/18-pbe-update.html

Elite4Runner1 votes

That is odd, because that is not the way it is currently on the PBE. His passive is available immediately after every use of an ability, even after each use of his E.

That might be an error / typo on S@20, or they removed the cooldown from the PBE.

Illabethe1 votes

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why would you build him with AD?

I can only think of one AD item that might be strong and as a derivative, a couple more:

item 3053 (He's melee)

And maybe by extension Hydra and Hextech.

You can double shield him, to help with his sustain, and on top of that build a tanky Hextech healer to compensate for his low range impacts.

Neeko is more viable as an AD than he is.

GFREEMEN1 votes

So I did testing with AD Sylus and it can do about the same DPS as AP BUT the burst is lower and his Ult sicks UNLESS you are stealing Jax or master Yi ults

You CAN go AD but he is much better AP.

Trust me, I love to metamance but his is only in very limited places would you want to do it.

Elite4Runner1 votes

That's actually part of what I think is odd about people being against this idea.

What I'm suggesting only makes a different build path slightly more viable, but still in a very limited way.

The general rule of thumb for champions that better utilize AD vs AP is that they have sustained damage output vs burst, so what you are describing is what I would expect.

But if you think about the potential for Sylas to copy an ultimate from a bruiser ... The bruiser has a natural inclination to build a combination of health and / or resistances as well as the AD / AP damage stats that their ultimate scales with. .. Sylas could potentially be building full AP, meaning he will actually have the ability to utilize the copied ultimate BETTER than the champion that he stole it from, .. Especially when you factor in how the ratios are converted for AD based abilities.

What I am suggesting would give him IDENTICAL ratios as the users of AD based ultimates. Yes, he could still have more AD than the champion he copied it from, but the ultimate would have the same output when both champions have the same stats.

Saevum1 votes

except if the ultimate relies on another ability or mechanic to function.

i.e Darius Vayne

Elite4Runner1 votes

I haven't seen an example of Darius yet, but I know if Sylas copies and activates Vayne's ultimate, using his Q will cause him to go invisible.

I'm actually more curious about using Illaoi's ultimate.

I also really want to see if Sylas creates a clone of himself or of Shaco when using Shaco's Hallucinate

SilverTempest1 votes

let me tell you something about that champion he should not be a mage in the first place zilean dosnt look like someone that uses magic or like a mage at all he uses chains for cryng out loud he should be flat out an ad champion period... making him a mage just so he can abuse the item scaling of mages and defensive stats is a horrible idea that will only gonna make him broken

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